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    Default New evidence suggests Charlottesville was a complete Set-up |

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    At least one law enforcement officer in Charlottesville, VA has come forward to clear his conscience and reveal the truth or at least his version of it that what went down in the city was not only condoned by city governance but was intentional, orchestrated and may have been planned as long ago as May.
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    I didn't say it was fake, nor am I downplaying the whole situation. There's simply news spreading around that it was set up. Read it all first:

    “A Charlottesville police officer has come forward to express his anger at being told to “stand down” by the city mayor during violent clashes between protestors. He also claims the protests, which pitched “white supremacists” against members of Antifa, were “set up” to further the agenda of the elites.

    “We [Charlotesville police] were ordered to bring the rival groups together. As soon as they were in contact with each other, we were told to stand down. It was outrageous. We weren’t allowed to arrest anyone without asking the mayor first. We weren’t even allowed to stop the driver as he sped away.“
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    I think most people will look at this story with a jaundiced eye.
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    Maybe I can turn in my acting resume for the next riot scene think I should try out for a victim since that role is more challenging for my career. Where should I audition lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Light Within View Post
    Let me get this right. You somehow think this is plausible but have a hard time believing that systemic racism and oppression still exist in a country founded upon the stealing of land, exploitation of entire continents and which only 50 years ago granted full citizenship to a people group that has been here for near 400 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Light Within View Post
    This doesn't surprise me one bit. Early report talked about how the police allowed both groups to come together and police were absent.

    Another interesting fact is that the ACLU sued to allow the original protest to happen. That's a great clue as to the truth to who is behind this.

    These white nationalists are the perfect useful idiots to help galvanize the commie leftist groups like BLM and Antifa.


    To those in this thread who are confused by what is meant by the term "complete setup," it means that city officials allowed the violence to help further the leftist cause. It doesn't mean that there weren't real white nationalist, racists, and Nazi's there. They were there and were the real deal.

    They are something that we all should be concerned about. Right now they are small and of little power, but they are growing. It could be just a matter of time before it gets out of hand. The other groups to be concerned about are much larger and more inclined to violence and they are getting a free pass from MSM and are quite out of hand already.

    All are a threat to our liberties.

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    People really need to stop drinking the koolaid. Walk back from the cherry red and berry blue. This is getting ridiculous.

    These groups are real and they are the base that Trump appealed to. They had a victory party in Charlottesville and people protested.
    There does need to be a conspiracy theory as to why this all happened the way it did. It should have been clear from the presidential election campaigns.
    This is in part a result of the effects of total depravity in a nation where racial injustices were never really resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjamin View Post
    Let me get this right. You somehow think this is plausible but have a hard time believing that systemic racism and oppression still exist in a country founded upon the stealing of land, exploitation of entire continents and which only 50 years ago granted full citizenship to a people group that has been here for near 400 years?
    Yeah, it's called people change, societies change. They change sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. The people in the US today aren't the same as the people of 100 or 200 years ago. In some ways it's better and some ways worse.

    If that weren't true, blacks would still be slaves and Jim Crow would still be law.

    So your statement is a bit contradictory.


    The only people that are trying to make racist systemic oppression these days are the leftists like BLM, Antifa and those white nationalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loercase View Post
    People really need to stop drinking the koolaid. Walk back from the cherry red and berry blue. This is getting ridiculous.

    These groups are real and they are the base that Trump appealed to. They had a victory party in Charlottesville and people protested.
    There does need to be a conspiracy theory as to why this all happened the way it did. It should have been clear from the presidential election campaigns.
    This is in part a result of the effects of total depravity in a nation where racial injustices were never really resolved.
    Yes these groups are real, but they are small and they aren't what got Trump in office. What the MSM has to gain by there having been this skirmish is the ability to bring attention to these horrible racist and say that all of his supporters are like them in order to further delegitimize him.

    "Racial injustices" can never be resolved. You can't undue the past. one can only make a commitment to do the right thing from today on. Racism largely comes out of secularist thought, and as long as the bible is oppressed, the biblically uninformed will fall for those bad ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    Yeah, it's called people change, societies change. They change sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. The people in the US today aren't the same as the people of 100 or 200 years ago. In some ways it's better and some ways worse.

    If that weren't true, blacks would still be slaves and Jim Crow would still be law.

    So your statement is a bit contradictory.


    The only people hat are trying to make racist systemic oppression these days are the leftists like BLM, Antifa and those white nationalists.
    Fam... you are reaching heavy to make a point bro. Ben's statement points to how POC feel when apparent (Not always proven and mostly dismissed in the court system) racial oppression seen, for example, in police brutality often on video is so easily dismissed but then conspiracy theory sourced from websites know to publish biased news is seen a plausible. Where is the contradiction in what he stated?

    Bro you were the one saying Diamond Reynolds was not credible but now you are trying to co-sign this conspiracy theory nonsense? Walk back from the koolaid bro.... please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loercase View Post
    Fam... you are reaching heavy to make a point bro. Ben's statement points to how POC feel when apparent (Not always proven and mostly dismissed in the court system) racial oppression seen, for example, in police brutality often on video is so easily dismissed but then conspiracy theory sourced from websites know to publish biased news is seen a plausible. Where is the contradiction in what he stated?

    Bro you were the one saying Diamond Reynolds was not credible but now you are trying to co-sign this conspiracy theory nonsense? Walk back from the koolaid bro.... please.
    The contradiction is this. If systemic oppression still existed, we'd still have Jim Crow, but he states that Jim Crow ended 50 years ago.

    Well either the officer's testimony is true or false that the police were told to lead those groups together and then stand down. What's certain is that those groups did get together and there was no police presence. What was the chief or mayor thinking? Anyone would know that those groups were gas and fire waiting to ignite.

    Conspiracy, do you see MSM condemning Antifa? No, they're played like the heroes.


    Real conspiracy, calling all these isolated instances of police shooting involving black men a systemic issue. There are issues with racism. There are issues with police brutality and there are issues with racist police brutality, but this is not systemic. There is no code or law for this that I'm aware of.

    What's the solution for racism? Education, the gospel. Racism is in the individual. You can't make laws to abolish bad thinking in the individual. You can only hope to educate him.


    About Diamond. At the time I thought she was a bit sketchy in the film, but having thought about it, I think she must have been in shock. Do I believe her? I don't know. She may have been telling the truth, the truth from her perspective. It really doesn't matter. What's important in that case is if the office was telling the truth. Did he really feel threatened or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    The contradiction is this. If systemic oppression still existed, we'd still have Jim Crow, but he states that Jim Crow ended 50 years ago.
    Your logic puts all of systemic oppression on Jim Crow. It would make more sense to put it on the mindset that instituted Jim Crow. Because when there is no Jim Crow but the racist mindset still exists in people with power/authority then they will exercise it (total depravity). You would be better off proving that the end of Jim Crow brought an end to the mindset. But alas... here we are.


    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    Well either the officer's testimony is true or false that the police were told to lead those groups together and then stand down. What's certain is that those groups did get together and there was no police presence. What was the chief or mayor thinking? Anyone would know that those groups were gas and fire waiting to ignite.

    Conspiracy, do you see MSM condemning Antifa? No, they're played like the heroes.
    The officer's testimony can also be a product of social conditioning and personal bias. Just giving you some options. But you are absolutely right about the lack of police presence. Part of the issue here is freedom of speech being granted to known hate mongers. There needs to be better ways to handle them with out getting violent. They do have the right to assemble and speak but they do not the right to intimidate. The scene was straight out of the history books with the amount of ammunition they had brought out. Make me think Dylan Roof was on to something. But I think that was more lack of foresight and maybe some being a little sympathetic about the statues coming down. #plausible.

    Please point me to the clips of MSM playing Antifa like heroes. (Cause if that's not how it is but how you feel and then you blog that and someone picks up on that and co-signs it and shares and... you can see how this stuff can build quickly in social media can't you?)

    Which leads to .....
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    Real conspiracy, calling all these isolated instances of police shooting involving black men a systemic issue. There are issues with racism. There are issues with police brutality and there are issues with racist police brutality, but this is not systemic. There is no code or law for this that I'm aware of.
    Go back and listen to the interview btw Todd Friel and Thabiti Anyabwile. Thabiti made the point that Todd dismissed every form of data just to say there is no evidence. When the statistics point to the narrative, the laws and procedures are called to be changed and the anecdotal data (social media) points to the data, and the current events show the angst against minorities... what more do you need? Let's be for real. Racial prejudice exists. So does total depravity. Judging off of America's history (Ben's point) it is just not hard to believe that there is something going it. (Note looking at all the data in every city after every major event of unrest between 2014-16 the Justice Dept consistently returned with issues that needed to address in the respective police departments.) But believe what you want bro. Preach the Gospel and please be sure to include love of neighbor as you unpack it.

    Adding: Read this and then say its all isolated incidents and can't be systematic...
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    About Diamond. At the time I thought she was a bit sketchy in the film, but having thought about it, I think she must have been in shock. Do I believe her? I don't know. She may have been telling the truth, the truth from her perspective. It really doesn't matter. What's important in that case is if the office was telling the truth. Did he really feel threatened or not?
    But the supreme court already determined that you can't Monday morning quarterback Police use of lethal force. That being said, why not just claim you were threaten and just shoot the kill anyway? The system has effectively given the officers a get out of jail card. We see how it has played out time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    Yes these groups are real, but they are small and they aren't what got Trump in office. What the MSM has to gain by there having been this skirmish is the ability to bring attention to these horrible racist and say that all of his supporters are like them in order to further delegitimize him.

    "Racial injustices" can never be resolved. You can't undue the past. one can only make a commitment to do the right thing from today on. Racism largely comes out of secularist thought, and as long as the bible is oppressed, the biblically uninformed will fall for those bad ideas.
    But there is racial prejudice in the church. All throughout history and even now faithful people are on the wrong side ofapplying imago Dei. And let's be fair fam.... we both watched those campaign rally and what got the crowd going. Charlottesville was not a concoction of liberals it was the overflow of the vitriol that Trump egged on for months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjamin View Post
    Let me get this right. You somehow think this is plausible but have a hard time believing that systemic racism and oppression still exist in a country founded upon the stealing of land, exploitation of entire continents and which only 50 years ago granted full citizenship to a people group that has been here for near 400 years?

    I think anything is plausible in this twisted world we live in. My brother sent this to me randomly and up until then I didn't even know this situation was going on. I did a bit more research and watched the VICE documentary on Christopher Cantwell (who is turning himself in today). Regardless, I'm not saying this is fake, I'm also not saying people didn't die, but what I'm stating is that anything is possible which is why I don't know who to trust when it comes to man. I listen to voices on all sides and then leave it to God to sort out (not that I'm taking responsibility in what I can do though).

    I am so thankful that JESUS came to address the root of the world's problem and not just to merely pluck branches like many are trying to do today. And that root is that at the heart of all of our misery and discomfort, is that each one of us has contributed to the evil in this world. We are all responsible, so we all need to look in the mirror because we have all sinned against a Holy God. Some of us have had it harder, or worse off, but make no mistake about it, even those of us that have been hurt or done wrong have also hurt and done wrong as well.

    Therefore every man, woman, and child, all share in the guilt of the world's rebellion against it's Creator. So, any attempt to fix the problem of suffering and pain, apart from complete repentance of our sins will never do any good. It will just continue to put band aids on dead men and women who need surgery and resurrection to new life that only the Gospel can give. The Gospel is always enough and we must always remind ourselves of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loercase View Post
    Your logic puts all of systemic oppression on Jim Crow. It would make more sense to put it on the mindset that instituted Jim Crow. Because when there is no Jim Crow but the racist mindset still exists in people with power/authority then they will exercise it (total depravity). You would be better off proving that the end of Jim Crow brought an end to the mindset. But alas... here we are.
    You can't say that 'the mindset' is systematic. Well, I think you and I need to define 'systematic' before we go further because I think we define it differently. I understand it to be something codified like a law. Jim Crow was systematic racism as it was a law. A culture of racism isn't something I'd label systematic.
    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    You would be better off proving that the end of Jim Crow brought an end to the mindset. But alas... here we are.
    I believe that the larger diminishing of the racist mindset, people realizing that white supremacy and separatism were wrong, is what brought an end to Jim Crow. Like someday maybe when a majority of the people see abortion for the murder it is, that will bring about an end to its legal status.

    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    The officer's testimony can also be a product of social conditioning and personal bias. Just giving you some options. But you are absolutely right about the lack of police presence. Part of the issue here is freedom of speech being granted to known hate mongers. There needs to be better ways to handle them with out getting violent. They do have the right to assemble and speak but they do not the right to intimidate. The scene was straight out of the history books with the amount of ammunition they had brought out. Make me think Dylan Roof was on to something. But I think that was more lack of foresight and maybe some being a little sympathetic about the statues coming down. #plausible.
    Either he heard stand down orders or he didn't. If he didn't he is either crazy or a liar. If he did, then why were the orders given? I see your point as to why it sounds so conspiratorial of me or the article to say it's part of a bigger plan. I think that it might be more organic than engineered, but I have been seeing a pattern. City after city, police keep letting antifa run amok. I also heard that the police in Berkeley were told to stand down.

    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    Please point me to the clips of MSM playing Antifa like heroes. (Cause if that's now how it is but how you feel and then you blog that and someone picks up on that and co-signs it and shares and... you can see how this stuff can build quickly in social media can't you?
    Yes. I agree. I think I may have been hyperbolic, but there is a serious lack of condemnation of Antifa that gives an unspoked legitimacy to them.


    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    Which leads to .....

    Go back and listen to the interview btw Todd Friel and Thabiti Anyabwile. Thabiti made the point that Todd dismissed every form of data just to say there is no evidence. When the statistics point to the narrative, the laws and procedures are called to be changed and the anecdotal data (social media) points to the data, and the current events show the angst against minorities... what more do you need?
    I haven't seen that video. I'll try to get to it. I guess this is a question of stats and their interpretation. I trust that there is angst felt, but I wonder how well placed it is. People felt angst when Orson Welles read 'War of the Worlds' on the radio in the 30's.



    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    Let's be for real. Racial prejudice exists. So does total depravity.
    Yes, of course that exists. Large groups of people can be racist without there being a systemic oppression of others on account of it.

    BTW, I don't see racial prejudice and total depravity as similar. Racial prejudice is a sinful practice, like lust, covetousness, or profane speech. Total depravity is a doctrine that describes man's inability to seek salvation on his own. All men are totally depraved, but not all men subcome to the sin of practicing racial prejudice.


    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    Judging off of America's history (Ben's point) it is just not hard to believe that there is something going it. (Note looking at all the data in every city after every major event of unrest between 2014-16 the Justice Dept consistently returned with issues that needed to address in the respective police departments.) But believe what you want bro. Preach the Gospel and please be sure to include love of neighbor as you unpack it.
    Judging from America's history, things have gotten a lot better on that point. We have eschewed slavery and Jim Crow. It's Gramscianism Marxist identity politics that have reopened and perpetuated old wounds. That's what I believe. That's my filter and that's why I'm more likely to believe the headline that the violence in Charlottesville was set up to be allowed to happen.

    I believe that these cases of police violence aren't symptomatic of systemic racism, but I do believe that racism or racial biases are often factors in the cases. Those factors lead to the perception of something bigger. There certainly are problems in police departments. There is corruption and we all need to be vigilant. Yet, overall, I believe that we have good police.

    Quote Originally Posted by loercase
    Adding: Read this and then say its all isolated incidents and can't be systematic...
    What I ask is this due to a cabal of white supremacy or plain old human corruption in the police department?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Light Within View Post

    I think anything is plausible in this twisted world we live in. My brother sent this to me randomly and up until then I didn't even know this situation was going on. I did a bit more research and watched the VICE documentary on Christopher Cantwell (who is turning himself in today). Regardless, I'm not saying this is fake, I'm also not saying people didn't die, but what I'm stating is that anything is possible which is why I don't know who to trust when it comes to man. I listen to voices on all sides and then leave it to God to sort out (not that I'm taking responsibility in what I can do though).

    I am so thankful that JESUS came to address the root of the world's problem and not just to merely pluck branches like many are trying to do today. And that root is that at the heart of all of our misery and discomfort, is that each one of us has contributed to the evil in this world. We are all responsible, so we all need to look in the mirror because we have all sinned against a Holy God. Some of us have had it harder, or worse off, but make no mistake about it, even those of us that have been hurt or done wrong have also hurt and done wrong as well.

    Therefore every man, woman, and child, all share in the guilt of the world's rebellion against it's Creator. So, any attempt to fix the problem of suffering and pain, apart from complete repentance of our sins will never do any good. It will just continue to put band aids on dead men and women who need surgery and resurrection to new life that only the Gospel can give. The Gospel is always enough and we must always remind ourselves of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loercase View Post
    But there is racial prejudice in the church. All throughout history and even now faithful people are on the wrong side ofapplying imago Dei. And let's be fair fam.... we both watched those campaign rally and what got the crowd going. Charlottesville was not a concoction of liberals it was the overflow of the vitriol that Trump egged on for months.
    Yes, there is racism in the church as well as a lot of other heresies. Those of us who know the bible and have the grace to conform to it in that way should work to educate the brethren in this. The church is the last place where this should exist, but yet we find homos, adulterers, thieves and the like in the church too.

    Imago Dei isn't the only thing that contradicts contemporary racist ideology. You need to remember first that man was created in God's image, but that all men have the same single parents. Because of Darwinistic thinking of the 19th century, people believe in distinct races. There is only one race, the human race. Men didn't evolve into different races. All the physical difference that we see in each other are all contained int he gene pool, the same one that God created in Adam. Recessive and dominate gene are stratified because of the separation at Babel, not because men are endemically different.

    Trump says a lot of stupid things. He makes it too easy for liberals to criticize him. Nevertheless, most of the violence is coming from the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v!d View Post
    Nevertheless, most of the violence is coming from the left.

    I was with up until this point. In Charlottesville, a woman died others injured but someone reppin' the alt-right. A young man was jumped on camera, and left limping with blood on his face, again assaulted by the alt-right. Let's walk back from pinning "most" of the violence on the left.

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