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    Quote Originally Posted by jnorman88 View Post
    True, but you can still love him as a person. The dude is in need of help, so hate the sin but love the sinner.

    Inlove jnorm

    You don't have to call him a christian in order to feel for him.
    John,

    I didn't say anything about not showing love. Or feeling for him.

    Psalm 5:5
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    In fact, the most LOVING thing you can do for him is to tell him he's walking on a spiritual landmine.......

    Folk forget - you can 'love' someone all you want, but if you don't give them the truth, they won't be saved. You can 'love' the gay person in your life as unconditionally as you want, but if you only speak of Christ in 'positive' terms around them and never tell them that their SIN is what will take them to hell and that they must repent and believe - how LOVING are you REALLY ?

    You loved them so much you let them go to hell rather than offend them with truth.

    Psshhh.

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    I can't remember the author of this quote but it goes like this:

    "I'd rather you hate me for telling you the truth than to love me for telling you lies."
    "He who hates, disguises it with his lips, and lays up deceit within himself; When he speaks kindly, do not believ him, for there are seven abominations in his heart." Proverbs 26

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    Ahh this is more like HCR. Let's label Tonex as one outside of the faith and not saved.

    Let's see; LaRosa spoke to Applejaxx (which is very recent) who is in Tonex's camp and he confirmed that he believed in the Trinity (I know Bond that your question is eating at you). At this point we don't have any proof that he doesn't (For those that say his music proves it then I ask how old are the cd's). In the interview he said Jesus was his saviour. Did he sound unrepentant in the interview? Sure did. Dude is still hurting and it's gonna take time for healing to take place.

    Question for the fam is this.......

    Compared to the talking we are doing on HCR about Tonex, is it in the same porportion to your praying for him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Links View Post
    Ahh this is more like HCR. Let's label Tonex as one outside of the faith and not saved.

    Let's see; LaRosa spoke to Applejaxx (which is very recent) who is in Tonex's camp and he confirmed that he believed in the Trinity (I know Bond that your question is eating at you). At this point we don't have any proof that he doesn't (For those that say his music proves it then I ask how old are the cd's). In the interview he said Jesus as his saviour. Did he sound unrepentant in the interview? Sure did. Dude is still hurting and it's gonna take time for healing to take place.
    Your absolutely right, it is eating at me. But even still, how would you look at me preaching and teaching and fellowshipping at a Mormon, JW, church?

    Question for the fam is this.......

    Compared to the talking we are doing on HCR about Tonex, is it in the same porportion to your praying for him?
    And if it is, then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Links View Post
    Ahh this is more like HCR. Let's label Tonex as one outside of the faith and not saved.

    Let's see; LaRosa spoke to Applejaxx (which is very recent) who is in Tonex's camp and he confirmed that he believed in the Trinity (I know Bond that your question is eating at you). At this point we don't have any proof that he doesn't (For those that say his music proves it then I ask how old are the cd's). In the interview he said Jesus was his saviour. Did he sound unrepentant in the interview? Sure did. Dude is still hurting and it's gonna take time for healing to take place.

    Question for the fam is this.......

    Compared to the talking we are doing on HCR about Tonex, is it in the same porportion to your praying for him?

    If what you said about Applejax and Tonex is true then I need to repent for my past comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondServant View Post
    Your absolutely right, it is eating at me. But even still, how would you look at me preaching and teaching and fellowshipping at a Mormon, JW, church?
    No gripe with you there. I think a part of your answer is in the beginning of the interview where Tonex talks about being feeling obligated to pastor his fathers church. What a lot of people don't know is the same week that his father passed he was getting ready to move to the ATL and become a part of a ministry here.



    Quote Originally Posted by BondServant View Post
    And if it is, then what?
    Then I question how one can continue to talk ABOUT someone and still pray for them. Just a question I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnorman88 View Post
    If what you said about Applejax and Tonex is true then I need to repent for my past comments.
    I am not saying anything that has not been said on the boards. Do a search on Larosa's comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Links View Post
    Ahh this is more like HCR. Let's label Tonex as one outside of the faith and not saved.

    Let's see; LaRosa spoke to Applejaxx (which is very recent) who is in Tonex's camp and he confirmed that he believed in the Trinity (I know Bond that your question is eating at you). At this point we don't have any proof that he doesn't (For those that say his music proves it then I ask how old are the cd's). In the interview he said Jesus was his saviour. Did he sound unrepentant in the interview? Sure did. Dude is still hurting and it's gonna take time for healing to take place.

    Question for the fam is this.......

    Compared to the talking we are doing on HCR about Tonex, is it in the same porportion to your praying for him?
    What would have Paul done with Tonex, or any of us who was unrepentant? What would Paul have said about those of us who refuse to hold Tonex accountable? Read 1 Cor. 5
    "He who hates, disguises it with his lips, and lays up deceit within himself; When he speaks kindly, do not believ him, for there are seven abominations in his heart." Proverbs 26

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Expositor View Post
    What would have Paul done with Tonex, or any of us who was unrepentant? What would Paul have said about those of us who refuse to hold Tonex accountable? Read 1 Cor. 5
    Won't argue with the scripts. Are we still going to talk ABOUT him? How about pray for him?
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    Deuteronomy 6:14
    You shall not go after other gods, the gods of the peoples who are around you,

    Deuteronomy 8:19
    And if you forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I solemnly warn you today that you shall surely perish.

    Deuteronomy 11:28
    and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside from the way that I am commanding you today, to go after other gods that you have not known.

    Deuteronomy 13:2
    and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,' which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,'

    Deuteronomy 28:14
    and if you do not turn aside from any of the words that I command you today, to the right hand or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

    Judges 2:12
    And they abandoned the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt. They went after other gods, from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed down to them. And they provoked the LORD to anger.

    Judges 2:17
    Yet they did not listen to their judges, for they whored after other gods and bowed down to them. They soon turned aside from the way in which their fathers had walked, who had obeyed the commandments of the LORD, and they did not do so.

    Judges 2:19
    But whenever the judge died, they turned back and were more corrupt than their fathers, going after other gods, serving them and bowing down to them. They did not drop any of their practices or their stubborn ways.

    1 Kings 11:4
    For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, and his heart was not wholly true to the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

    1 Kings 11:10
    and had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods. But he did not keep what the LORD commanded.

    Jeremiah 7:6
    if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm,

    Jeremiah 7:9
    Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known,

    Jeremiah 11:10
    They have turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, who refused to hear my words. They have gone after other gods to serve them. The house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant that I made with their fathers.

    Jeremiah 13:10
    This evil people, who refuse to hear my words, who stubbornly follow their own heart and have gone after other gods to serve them and worship them, shall be like this loincloth, which is good for nothing.

    Jeremiah 16:11
    then you shall say to them: 'Because your fathers have forsaken me, declares the LORD, and have gone after other gods and have served and worshiped them, and have forsaken me and have not kept my law,

    Jeremiah 25:6
    Do not go after other gods to serve and worship them, or provoke me to anger with the work of your hands. Then I will do you no harm.'

    Jeremiah 35:15
    I have sent to you all my servants the prophets, sending them persistently, saying, 'Turn now every one of you from his evil way, and amend your deeds, and do not go after other gods to serve them, and then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to you and your fathers.' But you did not incline your ear or listen to me.
    So, if I'm a Trinitarian, and I'm out there fellowshipping and worshiping the same god as Oneness, Mormons, and JW's, then there's a problem. The people in these passages knew of the Covenant Lord, but went out and served other gods. There is no other god. So if Israel was out fellowshipping and worshipping with the pagan nations, then God pronounced Judgement on them, and the church of the OT were to stone those who sought other gods. What do you think our job is? It ain't to be cool with these cats and tell them it's cool to fellowship with idolaters. It ain't cool to me anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondServant View Post
    So, if I'm a Trinitarian, and I'm out there fellowshipping and worshiping the same god as Oneness, Mormons, and JW's, then there's a problem. The people in these passages knew of the Covenant Lord, but went out and served other gods. There is no other god. So if Israel was out fellowshipping and worshipping with the pagan nations, then God pronounced Judgement on them, and the church of the OT were to stone those who sought other gods. What do you think our job is? It ain't to be cool with these cats and tell them it's cool to fellowship with idolaters. It ain't cool to me anyway.
    Did you read my post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BondServant View Post
    So, if I'm a Trinitarian, and I'm out there fellowshipping and worshiping the same god as Oneness, Mormons, and JW's, then there's a problem. The people in these passages knew of the Covenant Lord, but went out and served other gods. There is no other god. So if Israel was out fellowshipping and worshipping with the pagan nations, then God pronounced Judgement on them, and the church of the OT were to stone those who sought other gods. What do you think our job is? It ain't to be cool with these cats and tell them it's cool to fellowship with idolaters. It ain't cool to me anyway.
    Passage 2 Kings 5:18:
    18 But may the LORD forgive your servant for this one thing: When my master enters the temple of Rimmon to bow down and he is leaning on my arm and I bow there also—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD forgive your servant for this."


    What about this situation? Just throwing that out there. Actually read this in my one year Bible here recently. Found it quite interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Links View Post
    Did you read my post?
    yep, and I acknowledged it. What about my post makes you think I didn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondServant View Post
    yep, and I acknowledged it. What about my post makes you think I didn't?
    I thought you might have thought I didn't agree with you after posting one of the Canons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    Passage 2 Kings 5:18:
    18 But may the LORD forgive your servant for this one thing: When my master enters the temple of Rimmon to bow down and he is leaning on my arm and I bow there also—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD forgive your servant for this."


    What about this situation? Just throwing that out there. Actually read this in my one year Bible here recently. Found it quite interesting.
    I'm aware of the situation. So do we just abandon the scripts that I posted. Is Tonex, or anyone like him in this same situation. Is this something that we should do? Is this what Tonex, or anyone else is doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Links View Post
    No gripe with you there. I think a part of your answer is in the beginning of the interview where Tonex talks about being feeling obligated to pastor his fathers church. What a lot of people don't know is the same week that his father passed he was getting ready to move to the ATL and become a part of a ministry here.





    Then I question how one can continue to talk ABOUT someone and still pray for them. Just a question I have.
    I wasn't feeling his take on becoming pastor. I don't think he was called to the pastorate. His taking over was to make sure his father's legacy didn't die? That's not a good reason to take on such a position and role as pastor.
    "He who hates, disguises it with his lips, and lays up deceit within himself; When he speaks kindly, do not believ him, for there are seven abominations in his heart." Proverbs 26

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    *sings*

    Feeeeeeelings....

    WHOAH....WHOAH...WHOAH....
    FEEEEEEELings.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio View Post
    how bout we do an interview with expositor, bondservant, me and tonex?
    that would be dope.
    "He who hates, disguises it with his lips, and lays up deceit within himself; When he speaks kindly, do not believ him, for there are seven abominations in his heart." Proverbs 26

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    Not to change the subject, but was Tonex talking about G. Craig Lewis. When Tonex said rumors were said about him.

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