Jesus asked them: "Who do you say I am?" They said: "You are the eschatological manifestation of the ground of our being, the ontological foundation of our selfhood revealed." Jesus replied: "Huh?"
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Jesus asked them: "Who do you say I am?" They said: "You are the eschatological manifestation of the ground of our being, the ontological foundation of our selfhood revealed." Jesus replied: "Huh?"
From his website:
THREE DIMENSIONS OF ONE GOD (1 John 5:7; Matthew 28:19; 1 Tim 3:16)
We believe in one God who is eternal in His existence, Triune in His manifestation, being both Father, Son and Holy Ghost AND that He is Sovereign and Absolute in His authority.The Bible, the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, are the inspired Word of God without error in the original writings, and complete revelation of His will for the salvation of men, and the divine and final authority for all Christian faith and life.
God--There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three Manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ--Jesus Christ is true God and true man, having been conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. He died on the cross, the complete and final sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. Further, He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven, where, at the right hand of the Majesty on High, He is now our High Priest and Advocate.
The Holy Spirit--The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and during this age, to convict men of sin, regenerate the believing sinner, indwell, guide, instruct, and empower the believer for godly living and service.
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So you'd have no problems with a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon or a member of the Unification Church, since they all say 'Jesus is Lord' too ?
The wording for the Trinity never gets 'tricky'. It's always been the same. Let me give you a little sampling from various theological traditions:
http://www.the5thquarter.com/forum/i...dpost&p=564658
(not reposting the whole link here because it's a bit long, but I cited doctrinal statements from United Methodist, Baptist General Conference, Southern Baptist Convention, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, Evangelical Free Church in America, Presybterian Church in America and the Assemblies of God to show that they are UNANIMOUS in their agreement on the doctrine of the Trinity and none of the language is 'tricky' in any sense)
All that said, take time and read through the link above, especially the Assemblies of God's statement (which I think is the strongest one on the subject):
d. Identity and Cooperation in the Godhead
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are never identical as to Person; nor confused as to relation; nor divided in respect to the Godhead; nor opposed as to cooperation. The Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son as to relationship. The Son is with the Father and the Father is with the Son, as to fellowship. The Father is not from the Son, but the Son is from the Father, as to authority. The Holy Spirit is from the Father and the Son proceeding, as to nature, relationship, cooperation and authority. Hence, neither Person in the Godhead either exists or works separately or independently of the others.
o John 5:17-30 [KJV/NIV]
o John 5:32 [KJV/NIV]
o John 5:37 [KJV/NIV]
o John 8:17,18 [KJV/NIV]
and
h. Transgression of the Doctrine of Christ
Wherefore, it is a transgression of the Doctrine of Christ to say that Jesus Christ derived the title, Son of God, solely from the fact of the incarnation, or because of His relation to the economy of redemption. Therefore, to deny that the Father is a real and eternal Father, and that the Son is a real and eternal Son, is a denial of the distinction and relationship in the Being of God; a denial of the Father, and the Son; and a displacement of the truth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
o 2 John 1:9 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:1 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:2 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:14 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:18 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:29 [KJV/NIV]
o John 1:49 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 2:22,23 [KJV/NIV]
o 1 John 4:1-5 [KJV/NIV]
o Hebrews 12:2 [KJV/NIV]
CHRIStion:
As of 5 minutes ago, Jakes' website says:
So, no. He hasn't changed his position. It's still the same as it was when he spoke out in Christianity Today back in 2000.God--There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three Manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
For comparison purposes:
http://www.afcministry.com/TD_Jakes_...y_examined.htm
ACF has done a great job in this analysis of Jakes' response and shown that even in his response, he affirmed a different view of the Godhead not taught in scripture.
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Word.
Ok, so here I am like a year late....but I'd like to chime in, even though what I say has probably already been said.
I don't know much about Jon Edwards. Haven't read his books. Haven't checked his history. I'm more of a bible man myself. I should read some books though.
Anyway, the truth is that his actions are not blasphemous as much as they are sins that at that time were social norms. The buying and selling of slaves was a social norm. The forceful slavery was probably looked upon like conquest slavery...the Jews did that if I'm not mistaken. Now, I would assume that if Jon Edwards is saved, then he treated his slaves kindly. That's just my assumption.
But again I assert that slavery does not compare to heresy. Slavery was a socially acceptable sin. But I don't deny that it was SIN.
But to question his salvation based on that sin is to question your own salvation. Your own gluttony. Your own social apathy in that you do nothing about the hunger over seas. In America we horde the world's resources while children in africa go fatherless and hungry. It is sinful to live a life that is so selfish....With your mortgage that is perishable, dumping tons of your money into it and yet only 20% or your income goes into the kingdom..and only 5% of it sees the mission field...In the book of acts the people SOLD their houses to give to the kingdom!
But see, these things that we do, as apathetic and socially/morally irresponsible as they are, are OUR social norms.....and if the LORD tarries, it might be possible that future Christians would question OUR salvation for allowing so much injustice and not doing anything while we work 8 hours a day (or more) for a wicked company just so we can establish our little frail kingdoms here on earth. You should be convicted by James 2:14-17. And James 1:27. Prayers are nice...well wishes are nice...but what are you DOING?
Hmmmm.....but lucky for us, and possibly Jon Edwards, we aren't saved by works, and we're not disqualified by sins...but we're saved by grace alone. We can't take a person's one ignorance and assume the worst. That's my opinion. If the LORD elected to save Jon Edwards in spite of his sin, praise GOD! There's hope for us too then! And THAT is the power of the cross of Christ! That in spite of our terrible errors, He still purchased us with His blood. And there is no power that can reverse that. Although I see Jon Edwards sins as atrocious, I don't look at them as any worse than my owns sins...and if GOD can save him, then He can save me as well.
CLIFF'S NOTES: i don't know whether Jon Edwards is or isn't saved, but I don't believe that we should disqualify him for his social ignorance.
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Only thing I take exception to is the Jews buying and selling slaves. I really can't recall any instances of this in the Bible although there may be some secular accounts of them participating in it...blah.
Anyway good words!
great post DMW, but (like gloria hinted to) any jews that bought or sold slaves were in violate of the law which forbid selling people
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