Johnathan Edwards in light of Roots and possible Double Standards

**eternal** · 04-12-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by seal

Amen to that.... Don't act like you ain't nicer to Vic too....

You should ask him about a certain phone call we had, lol

**The_Expositor** · 04-12-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

well, at least we know the real reason you were defending him so much. (him being "ya boy" n' all). I'm wondering if thats what he referred to his male slaves as? "hey BOI come hurr, do this do that... what? CRACk!..... take that boi!... CRACK!... hurry up and pick my cotton so I can have your mom sew me a nice white shirt to preach in".

Real talk. But thats prolly what happened.

heyooooooo!

Come on, Vic. That's not fair. You know very well that not all slave holders were that way.

**seal** · 04-12-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

hahaha... yeah, basically.. SEAL = NOT FUNNY

VIC = PUERTO RICAN HATER/COOKIE...

**seal** · 04-12-2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

Now Expositor... brova'.... I know (i hope) you dont want to discuss the "level" or meanness between the different slave owners. Thats not the point. c'mon famo, you know that.

Well I'm sure he'll at least answer your questions unlike you

**Devin** · 04-12-2007, 06:44 PM

http://ia300129.us.archive.org/2/ite...orAllRaces.mp3

this definitely helped me out.

**Tarii_2sweet** · 04-12-2007, 06:52 PM

Remeber, they saw blacks as animals back then so they actually didn't think they were doing anything wrong by enslaving black, which is silly,christians where the main ones back then owning slaves back then.

**The_Expositor** · 04-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

Now Expositor... brova'.... I know (i hope) you dont want to discuss the "level" or meanness between the different slave owners. Thats not the point. c'mon famo, you know that.

Yes. This I know. But I still don't think it was fair of you to imply that Edwards would have responded in that manner.

**eternal** · 04-12-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by The_Expositor

Yes. This I know. But I still don't think it was fair of you to imply that Edwards would have responded in that manner.

He supportted the institution. He held it up. And by supporting the institution he gave approval to the slave trade. He is complicit to the whole thing

**eternal** · 04-12-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

The more kats look at how disquisting slavery really was. The more i "hope" kats will stop jockin' Edwards.

One thing about that. I am not reformed or a Calvinist in any sort of way. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

But we have to acknowledge that truth is truth regardless of who says it. I read works from athiests, Muslims, Jews, and all sorts of different types of Christians. I read stuff from those who think little of the bible or are overly critical of it (ie Jesus Seminar). I have found truthful statements from all of them, and have incorporated all that truth into my own frame of mind.

Edwards' sin doesn't disqualify the true things he said. And for the reformed/calvnist people, that is in large abundance.

I think his true statements are far less, but I can still apreciate his brilliant mind and takes on scripture. And I can learn from his life.

We can all learn from each other, warts and all.

So those who "jock" Edwards, I am sure it is for his true statements (or what they perceive to be true statements) and not the false ones.

**BondServant** · 04-12-2007, 07:35 PM

lol at the deleted threads

**Devin** · 04-12-2007, 07:36 PM

vic:

http://ia300129.us.archive.org/2/ite...orAllRaces.mp3

this gave me more insight.

**jnorman888** · 04-12-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Tarii_2sweet

Remeber, they saw blacks as animals back then so they actually didn't think they were doing anything wrong by enslaving black, which is silly,christians where the main ones back then owning slaves back then.

True

**jnorman888** · 04-12-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by eternal

He supportted the institution. He held it up. And by supporting the institution he gave approval to the slave trade. He is complicit to the whole thing

Did Edwards write anything about abolitionists?

**eternal** · 04-12-2007, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by jnorman88

Did Edwards write anything about abolitionists?

Yes, I read one thing, there may be more.

http://www.yaleslavery.org/WhoYaleHonors/je.html

"If [the critics of slave owners] continue to cry out against those who keep Negro slaves," they would show themselves to be hypocrites, because they too benefited from the slave trade. "Let them also fully and thoroughly vindicate themselves and their own practice in partaking of negroes' slavery," he charged, "or confess that there is no hurt in partaking in it," otherwise "let 'em own that their objections are not conscientious."

**The_Expositor** · 04-12-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by eternal

He supportted the institution. He held it up. And by supporting the institution he gave approval to the slave trade. He is complicit to the whole thing

I'm talkin' about him treating his slaves the way Vic described. I don't think it's fair to say that he'd talk to them and treat them that way, especially since none of us were there. I hear the word "slander" on this board quite often, and rightfully so because I think it does happen. But to me, this is slander. Yes, we all agree that he got it wrong. But, that doesn't mean that he was as vile with his words as Vic suggested. That's my contention.

**The_Expositor** · 04-12-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

If Edwards didnt see anything wrong with slavery, if he didnt see anything wrong with viewing those africans as animals or property, why would I think that he didnt? I mean, this was common practice back then. common practice for a common slave owner right? he obviously didnt see anything wrong with enslaving people. i mean... i think its more than fair. logical, probable... heck, Edwards could very well have beaten the man in the picture. real talk.

Do you have any quotes from Edwards calling Blacks animals? Did he truly view them as animals? If you believe so, then please share with us proof to validate your claim. Not every slave owner treated their slaves as such. Yes, they were still slaves, and that's wrong. But to say that all the owners beat and called their slaves "Boy" all day is not accurate if you study history.

**eternal** · 04-12-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by The_Expositor

I'm talkin' about him treating his slaves the way Vic described. I don't think it's fair to say that he'd talk to them and treat them that way, especially since none of us were there. I hear the word "slander" on this board quite often, and rightfully so because I think it does happen. But to me, this is slander. Yes, we all agree that he got it wrong. But, that doesn't mean that he was as vile with his words as Vic suggested. That's my contention.

That is a fair point. But we can't minimize how HUGE this issue was at that time. If he disagreed with the abuse, surely we would expect commentary on it, as we find from people like John Wesley and others.

Silence does in fact equate with compliance. If he didn't call his slaves the n word, or woop them until their skin fell off or cut off their genitals....I am glad. But those things were happening, and he upheld the system that utilized those methods. And he never spoke against it.

Imagine if a modern American preacher NEVER spoke against fornication or greed. These are the issues of our time.

Remember in the post slavery era the big question was "the negro issue." Everyone talked about it. No matter where you go. Reading the autobiography of an Ex-Colored man shows this in a very fascinating way. EVERYONE was discussing it, because it was the major issue of the day.

And in Edwards' time you couldn't escape the issue of slavery and the horrible treatment of slaves. We know he supported slaves, and we know he didn't speak out against the treatment of slaves that was so prevelant.

**The_Expositor** · 04-12-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by eternal

That is a fair point. But we can't minimize how HUGE this issue was at that time. If he disagreed with the abuse, surely we would expect commentary on it, as we find from people like John Wesley and others.

Silence does in fact equate with compliance. If he didn't call his slaves the n word, or woop them until their skin fell off or cut off their genitals....I am glad. But those things were happening, and he upheld the system that utilized those methods. And he never spoke against it.

Imagine if a modern American preacher NEVER spoke against fornication or greed. These are the issues of our time.

Remember in the post slavery era the big question was "the negro issue." Everyone talked about it. No matter where you go. Reading the autobiography of an Ex-Colored man shows this in a very fascinating way. EVERYONE was discussing it, because it was the major issue of the day.

And in Edwards' time you couldn't escape the issue of slavery and the horrible treatment of slaves. We know he supported slaves, and we know he didn't speak out against the treatment of slaves that was so prevelant.

Yeah, it's like hating sin and seeing people dying in their sins and not saying anything to them about it because we don't want to 'offend' them.