Johnathan Edwards in light of Roots and possible Double Standards

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Originally Posted by seal

I see a lot of people are joining in the talk now. Maybe, we can get some answers now....

Yo,

Wait a minute here all you JE Bashers.... Have you read your own Bible??? It wouldn't seem you have.... If ya'll want to say that Edwards wasn't a Believer then guess who else you are going to have to add to that list.....Clears throat ;) ....

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1. Abraham Doubted God and had Concubines

2.Samson He was just nasty!!!

3.David Murder, Adultery,Concubines

4.Solomon Pimping on wax...

5.Lot Having sex with daughters

6.Gideon Doubted God and had many wives

7. Jacob Con-Artist, Multiple wives, Lier...


So please all of you who bash JE for his sins I want you to start a post on each one these guys who are considered Hall of Famers in Scripture but who committed the worst sins habitually. Also don't listen to the message they taught and reject all of the Psalms, Proverbs and books that David and Solomon wrote b/c how could the Lord use such a man as David and Solomon right??? :rolleyes:

You all act as if we are trying to re-institute slavery or something b/c Edwards did it. Edwards was just sinner saved by Grace just like all you Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29 are. I'm sure he's in Glory laughing at your accusations against his down falls and so are the rest of the saints. God uses the lest likely people who are terrible sinners themselves for his Glory. Unfortunately us Americans are very blind of the terrible sinners we are therefore we condemn others of their sins. However, Heresy isn't just a sin but it's teachings. If you are teaching Heresy then you either need to be informed of Truth or you aren't part of the Flock. None of the saints I listed above were ever charged with Heresy. Think about it first, then respond...;)


Romans 8:33

33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

Hail King Jesus,
seal

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hey.can you please give us a list of supposed "JE BASHERS"?because youve been saying that all throught this thread.but i want you to call names.

ONLY ETERNAL RESPONDED LET SEE IF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY.... ;)

Okay cookie....I haven't missed any point but proven a tremendous point instead.

1 Timothy 1:9-11

9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Now after reading this verse tuff guy, how doesn't all the people I listed not fall into this category as well.

Abraham---- Liar, Adulter, pervert
Lot---- Pervert
Samson---- All the above except slave trader and Parent killer
Solomon----Adulter, pervert
David---- Murder, Pervert, adulter..... Need I say more, Are you saying David didn't teach sound doctrine COOKIE????

So maybe you aren't understanding the gist of the arguement you're making against this man's one sin from above. B/c the saints did a lot worst. But Edwards wasn't on some Heresy like the guys you are listing so maybe you need to re-read what being posed to you. WHY DOES JE GET HARASSED FOR HIS SIN BUT NOT THESE SAINTS? And also.... Joel Osteen, Creflo, and Jakes preach Heresy maybe not to you but to some of us, so can any of these charges be laid against Edwards? There is no double standard. Edwards preached truth, these other guys don't. It's an open and shut case. Edwards was a sinner, but some of the OT Saints were worst. But Edwards didn't teach Heresy neither did they. So Nah!!! :p

Would you stop with the Cookie stuff? :)

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Originally Posted by seal

ONLY ETERNAL RESPONDED LET SEE IF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY.... ;)

Okay cookie....I haven't missed any point but proven a tremendous point instead.

1 Timothy 1:9-11

9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Now after reading this verse tuff guy, how doesn't all the people I listed not fall into this category as well.

Abraham---- Liar, Adulter, pervert
Lot---- Pervert
Samson---- All the above except slave trader and Parent killer
Solomon----Adulter, pervert
David---- Murder, Pervert, adulter..... Need I say more, Are you saying David didn't teach sound doctrine COOKIE????

So maybe you aren't understanding the gist of the arguement you're making against this man's one sin from above. B/c the saints did a lot worst. But Edwards wasn't on some Heresy like the guys you are listing so maybe you need to re-read what being posed to you. WHY DOES JE GET HARASSED FOR HIS SIN BUT NOT THESE SAINTS? And also.... Joel Osteen, Creflo, and Jakes preach Heresy maybe not to you but to some of us, so can any of these charges be laid against Edwards? There is no double standard. Edwards preached truth, these other guys don't. It's an open and shut case. Edwards was a sinner, but some of the OT Saints were worst. But Edwards didn't teach Heresy neither did they. So Nah!!! :p

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again i ask.name the JE Bashers.do you think ima JE Basher?

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Originally Posted by seal

ONLY ETERNAL RESPONDED LET SEE IF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY.... ;)

Okay cookie....I haven't missed any point but proven a tremendous point instead.

1 Timothy 1:9-11

9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Now after reading this verse tuff guy, how doesn't all the people I listed not fall into this category as well.

Abraham---- Liar, Adulter, pervert
Lot---- Pervert
Samson---- All the above except slave trader and Parent killer
Solomon----Adulter, pervert
David---- Murder, Pervert, adulter..... Need I say more, Are you saying David didn't teach sound doctrine COOKIE????

So maybe you aren't understanding the gist of the arguement you're making against this man's one sin from above. B/c the saints did a lot worst. But Edwards wasn't on some Heresy like the guys you are listing so maybe you need to re-read what being posed to you. WHY DOES JE GET HARASSED FOR HIS SIN BUT NOT THESE SAINTS? And also.... Joel Osteen, Creflo, and Jakes preach Heresy maybe not to you but to some of us, so can any of these charges be laid against Edwards? There is no double standard. Edwards preached truth, these other guys don't. It's an open and shut case. Edwards was a sinner, but some of the OT Saints were worst. But Edwards didn't teach Heresy neither did they. So Nah!!! :p

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Since you won't hear what I have to say why don't you listen to a message from Piper's site.

Sherard Burns - The Riches of Edwards for All Races

This dude has said almost everything that I have said and quoted many of the same links that I gave.

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Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

How many of those men repent and turn from their sins. We are talking about a guy who NEVER repented, and better yet, DEFENDED slavery.

so um... yeah, its carne asada.

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Carne asada is good with fresh flour tortillas. I like mixing my refried beans and rice together, then make a little burrito with the carne asada inside. (I used to live in South Texas)

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Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

How many of those men repent and turn from their sins. We are talking about a guy who NEVER repented, and better yet, DEFENDED slavery.

so um... yeah, its carne asada.

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Okay, I'm glad you know for sure he never repented yet his son turned out to be an Abolitionalist. Hmmmmm..... ;) and so did a good friend John Newton became an Abolitionalist later on.... :rolleyes: Can you show me where Samson, Solomon, and Lot repented since you got the answers?

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Originally Posted by seal

Okay, I'm glad you know for sure he never repented yet his son turned out to be an Abolitionalist. Hmmmmm..... ;) and so did a good friend John Newton became an Abolitionalist later on.... :rolleyes: Can you show me where Samson, Solomon, and Lot repented since you got the answers?

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Umm wouldn't releasing and relinquishing his owning of slaves show that he repented? Hmm!!!

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actually Seal Vic DOES have a point.no one in here is saying he was unworthy to preach and that God didnt use him.atleast this is what im observing.but i will say this...Those men in the Bible you mentioned have sin and sin GREATLY..but were not making a "sin scale" here.the thing is David Repented.so now i guess Links and Vic wanna know is how do we know if Edwards Repented?



ps.if you refer to me as a Cookie its gonna be a problem:mad:

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Originally Posted by DJ Links

Since you won't hear what I have to say why don't you listen to a message from Piper's site.

Sherard Burns - The Riches of Edwards for All Races

This dude has said almost everything that I have said and quoted many of the same links that I gave.

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Why don't you stop running and answer my questions??? Are you going to start a post on David, Solomon, and Samson next b/c if you don't I will in your name since we are pulling up the sins on men to discredit them. And along with them you can throw out their books int he Bible. All I'm doing is showing your inconsistency. B/c you are very inconsistant and bias towards JE. Or you wouldn't have started a post like this, do you see us starting post on Creflo's being former Pimp accusasations??? Nope, not worth our time, but you have plenty of time to pull up this dead horse subject...:rolleyes:

Why don't you start a post on the African slave trade within Africa? You won't ever do that, why? B/c you like many others have been fooled into thinking Africans were Kings and Queens in Africa before they were brought to America. The Color Purple was just a movie brutha.... So please open up the scriptures and look in your Bible to see that God has always used imperfect men for his Glory.











THEN TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!

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Originally Posted by Devin

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actually Seal Vic DOES have a point.no one in here is saying he was unworthy to preach and that God didnt use him.atleast this is what im observing.but i will say this...Those men in the Bible you mentioned have sin and sin GREATLY..but were not making a "sin scale" here.the thing is David Repented.so now i guess Links and Vic wanna know is how do we know if Edwards Repented?



ps.if you refer to me as a Cookie its gonna be a problem:mad:

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Is David the only person I listed??? Let's think here people!!!

To all my tortillas and Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29, lets not get so worked up about a dude/brother that not living on this earth anymore.

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Originally Posted by Holy Culture Radio

hahaha...watchin SEAL skirt the real issue.

Did we say he didnt teach sound doctrine tortilla?'

Did we say that he wasnt a dope preacher tortilla?

Did we say that he wasnt a good auther tortilla?

NO. NO. NO.

We simply said, that living an UNREPENTANT LIFE (yeah, meaning NEVER repenting from your ways) is NOT CONSISTEN with a true believer.

What you are horribly attempting to do here tortilla is NEGLECT the fact that Edwards not only never repented for having slaved, but he PROMOTED it, endorsed it. The more you go out of your way defending this mans action and overlooking the MAIN fact that he supported the cruel act of slavery only sheds more light on how weak your arguement really is. Stick to the facts bredren. The facts.

Dude owned slaves, promoted it, didnt repent, he benefited of the inhumane treatment of other humans. AND NEVER REPENTED. ahhh, what a beautiful picture the Holy Spirit in Edwards! Roses!

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So I guess you are going to avoid my question about Solomon and Samson repenting and keep popping off at the mouth about chips... Huh??? Typical :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by seal

Why don't you stop running and answer my questions??? Are you going to start a post on David, Solomon, and Samson next b/c if you don't I will in your name since we are pulling up the sins on men to discredit them. And along with them you can throw out their books int he Bible. All I'm doing is showing your inconsistency. B/c you are very inconsistant and bias towards JE. Or you wouldn't have started a post like this, do you see us starting post on Creflo's being former Pimp accusasations??? Nope, not worth our time, but you have plenty of time to pull up this dead horse subject...:rolleyes:

Why don't you start a post on the African slave trade within Africa? You won't ever do that, why? B/c you like many others have been fooled into thinking Africans were Kings and Queens in Africa before they were brought to America. The Color Purple was just a movie brutha.... So please open up the scriptures and look in your Bible to see that God has always used imperfect men for his Glory.

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THEN TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!

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Dude you really have no idea. I have had a post ready for a couple of hours but held off after talking to RJ and decided not to post it.

Hey Cookie why don't you listen to that message from Piper's site. Everything I wanted say is said in that message. Listen to it and then re-read all of my posts and you will see the bigger picture that I was getting at.

*Wonders if this is the "Do You Think God is Pleased with HCR thread, realizes he's in the wrong thread and leaves*:D

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Originally Posted by DJ Links

Umm wouldn't releasing and relinquishing his owning of slaves show that he repented? Hmm!!!

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Still not answering my questions.... At this point I'm guessing you can't and won't b/c you're just special....;) :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by dante

I began listening to this sermon by Sherard Burns from the conference John Piper had called "A God-Entranced Vision of All Things." I have yet to finish listening to this sermon but he sheds some light on the issue being discussed here. Below is the link.

Sherard Burns - The Riches of Edwards for All Races

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Hey fam lets seriously take a time out and peep this sermon it is honest and fair it is not an Edwards "bashing" type sermon and really deals with the issue in an honest manner. Dante thanks for the Link fam.

I think someone needs a group hug...:p

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Originally Posted by seal

Is David the only person I listed??? Let's think here people!!!

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no.your point?is it possible for me to continually sin in an area in my life with no conviction and goto heaven?

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Originally Posted by DJ Links

Dude you really have no idea. I have had a post ready for a couple of hours but held off after talking to RJ and decided not to post it.

Hey Cookie why don't you listen to that message from Piper's site. Everything I wanted say is said in that message. Listen to it and then re-read all of my posts and you will see the bigger picture that I was getting at.

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Your picture is flawed b/c it's full of self righteousness and prejudice. I Love Piper, don't get me wrong, but he's not God nor does his opinions finalized what is true. JE was just a man of his times consumed in it's ideology, but he shouldn't be condemned for it. The double standard is clearly U. You never went through slavery and you pick the bits and pieces of slavery you want to deal with. If you would give a broader spectrum of who was involved in the slave trade, who started it, and etc perhaps you'd be painting an unbias picture. But since your focus is on one guy you are as bias as the KKK. Hands down... :rolleyes:

Hail King Jesus,
seal