Johnathan Edwards in light of Roots and possible Double Standards

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Originally Posted by king neb

No, i didn't say that.

Have you read Philemon?

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Uhh... yeah. I'm assuming we are talking about the letter that Paul wrote, right?

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Originally Posted by Danielle

I agree with the views of Links, QS and Lisa.....

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That's too easy Danielle... you gotta contribute:)

I agree with Danielle

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Originally Posted by DJ Links

Selling slaves in the open market isn't debatable. Edwards had this done.

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1 Timothy 1:9-11

9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

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Originally Posted by Moody

Uhh... yeah. I'm assuming we are talking about the letter that Paul wrote, right?

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Riiighhttt.... so tell me a little bit about the guy Paul wrote that to.

I think it is easy to get off track but we must try. The focus of the thread is not to condemn JE.

Rather it is an exploration as to why there is such hypocricy. Why it is called "bashing" when Edwards is discussed and exposed, but it is a Christian duty when Dollar or Olsteen or Jakes is exposed? Or why it is considered "redundant" and "ad naseum" when Edwards is discussed, but there always seems to be eagerness to expose or discuss the other guys. It doesn't make sense.

And to be honest it goes both ways.

I am just unclear as to the apparent double standard and hypocricy. But no one is obligated to explain themselves, but the question is certainly worth asking.

Personally I think all of them are brought up far too often, and I think all of them border on bashing far too often. And all of them invoke zealous blind defenses from people far too often.

Just my take.

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Originally Posted by king neb

Riiighhttt.... so tell me a little bit about the guy Paul wrote that to.

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He participated in the slave trade? He supported the stealing of human beings? Where do you get this impression?

Maybe I am reading your point wrongly here, forgive me if I am, and I hope you might clarify. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by eternal

He participated in the slave trade? He supported the stealing of human beings? Where do you get this impression?

Maybe I am reading your point wrongly here, forgive me if I am, and I hope you might clarify. Thanks.

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actually eternal, again, you're reading too much into my posts. I haven't made any points yet...I simply asked for something.

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Originally Posted by king neb

actually eternal, again, you're reading too much into my posts. I haven't made any points yet...I simply asked for something.

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Cool. So tell us something about Philemon, and perhaps even Apphia, Archippus, and the church there)

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Originally Posted by lisajames96

That's too easy Danielle... you gotta contribute:)

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lol, you got me....

yeah, I completely believe that thier was no evidence that would or could ever contribute to the justification of the American Slave Trade, and anyone that claimed to be Christiany yet owned slaves or participated in the act were not being obedient to the word of God, which clearly states to love your neighbor as yourself, and also is thinking of yourself superior to another person not Christ-like, isn't Christ full of humlity?(rhetorical of course)

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Originally Posted by dogfight!

I agree with Danielle

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lol :)

I agree with Danielle too. Case closed.

Good point eternal. We on the same page.

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Originally Posted by lisajames96

Hey Links,

I started reading his defense of slavery(opposition to african trade) and I got sick on my stomach. I just closed the page. sigh(but i will finish)...James said I needed to see both sides....lol...Well i tried hubby.

The excuses(defenses) were really sickening(to me)...on a side note. he was NOT the only minister in that NE area who owned slaves. Some when faced with the extravagent conotation of slave owning, freed their slaves and some like JE kept them til his death and never made provision to be freed.

In reading I found it interesting too that his first slave he bought(for his wife, i hope) with almost have a year's salary!...what???...That is like me today paying $20K( or more depending on the economy), for someone to prove my stature, not to make me any money(seems stupid, but Christians buy extravagent things now for stature too).

Also interesting that part of his defense was not a real defense, but a pluck the log out of your own eye first rebuttal.
This is what I can't wrap my mind around... WHY is it wrong to trade a slave from africa to the caribean, but "institutional"(okay) to trade them within a homeland(where mothers and kids were seperated on the spot in NE)? There was no biblical basis to reject one but allow the other. If I am wrong QS/Links let me know yall...

edit: Links I have read through some of you posts and see the JE issue is not really your focus here, so you don't have to reply.

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Yeah christians buy extravagent things now days like big Gold and Platinum Chains with Jesus on it....or with a Cross on it. Or they buy Platinum teeth with diamond in them. Or big Whips with big Rims!!!

Let me stop!!! Mr. Edwards was far far from perfect......and far from an example of what we should be like or even want to be like. But in knowing this we should judge everyone with the same standard. I am all for that.

Well, I agree with everyone, at the same time, simulaneously.

*waits for Neb to say something about logic*

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Originally Posted by BondServant

Well, I agree with everyone, at the same time, simulaneously.

*waits for Neb to say something about logic*

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or 70AD

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Originally Posted by BondServant

Well, I agree with everyone, at the same time, simulaneously.

*waits for Neb to say something about logic*

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nah...not much to say. lol. i expect that from vanTillians. hahaha.

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Originally Posted by eternal

or 70AD

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LOL. Let's do the happy dance cuz Satan is in chains for a 1,000 years... wait, wouldn't that be 1070? Uh oh...

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Originally Posted by Danielle

lol, you got me....

yeah, I completely believe that thier was no evidence that would or could ever contribute to the justification of the American Slave Trade, and anyone that claimed to be Christiany yet owned slaves or participated in the act were not being obedient to the word of God, which clearly states to love your neighbor as yourself, and also is thinking of yourself superior to another person not Christ-like, isn't Christ full of humlity?(rhetorical of course)

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Don't forget this too sis!!!


1 Timothy 1:9-11

9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.