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Enigmatic
10-18-2006, 10:24 PM
What need have I of a God who hates me
Who supposedly made me but also Hades
Now back to Haiti
Moreover, Back to the mother land
In search of Judas the brother man
On the other hand
What good came out slavery?
I am not Joseph
But let me guess, when they traded me He saved me
What ever happened to sovereign will?
I was told the Sovereign will execute justice
Does that include just His
Or do I fall with the dogs looking for crumbs
And should I crumble at the feet of the Master
Or the one made in his image, white sheet masked master
I think Iíve mastered the art of docility
The wretched deem it a virtue, humility
To hate one self and love the foe
If I devote my every whim to him then I win at the end
But then again in this life Iíve lost
To what cost might I ask of thee
But therein lies the sin of blasphemy
So I pick cotton, I toil in fear
I seek neither to see nor to hear
Deaf, dumb, and blind
Hence, the parables are not mines
They are for the few
For many are called but most of them are Jews
For Me, faith is in my ancestors way
commemoration of natives present, tomorrow, and yesterday
I too worship the god of my forefathers
unlike you and your warships, who pillage in the name of four fathers
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the fourth, nameless
You speak of Good, but you are far from blameless

Psalmist
10-19-2006, 08:00 AM
thats crazy family!

Danielle
10-19-2006, 08:46 AM
What need have I of a God who hates me
Who supposedly made me but also Hades
Now back to Haiti
Moreover, Back to the mother land
In search of Judas the brother man
On the other hand
What good came out slavery?
I am not Joseph
But let me guess, when they traded me He saved me
What ever happened to sovereign will?
I was told the Sovereign will execute justice
Does that include just His
Or do I fall with the dogs looking for crumbs
And should I crumble at the feet of the Master
Or the one made in his image, white sheet masked master
I think Iíve mastered the art of docility
The wretched deem it a virtue, humility
To hate one self and love the foe
If I devote my every whim to him then I win at the end
But then again in this life Iíve lost
To what cost might I ask of thee
But therein lies the sin of blasphemy
So I pick cotton, I toil in fear
I seek neither to see nor to hear
Deaf, dumb, and blind
Hence, the parables are not mines
They are for the few
For many are called but most of them are Jews
For Me, faith is in my ancestors way
commemoration of natives present, tomorrow, and yesterday
I too worship the god of my forefathers
unlike you and your warships, who pillage in the name of four fathers
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the fourth, nameless
You speak of Good, but you are far from blameless



wow, that is deep.

Elekt
10-19-2006, 10:21 AM
What need have I of a God who hates me
Who supposedly made me but also Hades
Now back to Haiti
Moreover, Back to the mother land
In search of Judas the brother man
On the other hand
What good came out slavery?
I am not Joseph
But let me guess, when they traded me He saved me
What ever happened to sovereign will?
I was told the Sovereign will execute justice
Does that include just His
Or do I fall with the dogs looking for crumbs
And should I crumble at the feet of the Master
Or the one made in his image, white sheet masked master
I think Iíve mastered the art of docility
The wretched deem it a virtue, humility
To hate one self and love the foe
If I devote my every whim to him then I win at the end
But then again in this life Iíve lost
To what cost might I ask of thee
But therein lies the sin of blasphemy
So I pick cotton, I toil in fear
I seek neither to see nor to hear
Deaf, dumb, and blind
Hence, the parables are not mines
They are for the few
For many are called but most of them are Jews
For Me, faith is in my ancestors way
commemoration of natives present, tomorrow, and yesterday
I too worship the god of my forefathers
unlike you and your warships, who pillage in the name of four fathers
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the fourth, nameless
You speak of Good, but you are far from blameless


im loving this piece fam, what motivated you to write this piece, its very deep and inspiring, I think im bout to go write a piece now...lol.

JusThoughtZ
10-19-2006, 11:42 AM
CHEA! *sips mocha frap* DUDE...WHATS GOOOD!?!?!?

~JusT~:cool:

shekinahsmoke
10-19-2006, 12:21 PM
Titled "A letter to Jonathan Edwards". ;)

Quiet storm
10-19-2006, 12:32 PM
Titled "A letter to Jonathan Edwards". ;)


:)

Danielle
10-19-2006, 12:40 PM
Titled "A letter to Jonathan Edwards". ;)


lol, funny, but real;)

Redeemed
10-19-2006, 12:42 PM
Titled "A letter to Jonathan Edwards". ;)

real sad

Quiet storm
10-19-2006, 12:44 PM
real sad


:rolleyes:

Redeemed
10-19-2006, 12:47 PM
"My sins was piled on me like mountains; my feet was sinking down to the regions of despair, and I felt that of all sinners I was the worst. I thought that I would die right then, and with what I supposed was my last breath I flung up to heaven a cry for mercy..." - John Jasper

Quiet storm
10-19-2006, 12:52 PM
1 John 3:16-18

16We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.

Enigmatic
10-19-2006, 01:39 PM
im loving this piece fam, what motivated you to write this piece, its very deep and inspiring, I think im bout to go write a piece now...lol.


what inspires me?

Rosewood
Mississippi Burning
Reading up on the Haitian Revolution
TransAtlantic Slave Trade (Middle Passage)
V for Vendetta


just to name a few

Redeemed
10-19-2006, 01:40 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuel_Haynes


Within the context of Haynesís theological discourse, we see a full elaboration of the isolated elements of Calvinism found in earlier writers such as Wheatley, Hammon, and Equiano. Most important to this elaboration is that liberty is essential for a personís spiritual being to realize his or her moral and spiritual obligations. In other words, the moral obligations defined by Edwardsean theology implied moral right. Haynesís early commitment to Edwardsean theology, traditional Calvinism, and anti-slavery principles in his earliest writing, ďLiberty Further Extended,Ē was an important point of departure for an altogether typical New Light career. The much more famous discourse, ďUniversal Salvation,Ē that provocatively links the doctrine of universalism with the devilís assault upon godliness is part of a sustained characterization of the sinful will, a characterization that shapes much of Haynesís preaching. His career suggests the nexus of thought that grounded the evangelical Protestant and libertarian principles of early black writers in the late eighteenth and the early nineteenth century. Ė Phillip M. Richardson

Enigmatic
10-19-2006, 01:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuel_Haynes


Within the context of Haynesís theological discourse, we see a full elaboration of the isolated elements of Calvinism found in earlier writers such as Wheatley, Hammon, and Equiano. Most important to this elaboration is that liberty is essential for a personís spiritual being to realize his or her moral and spiritual obligations. In other words, the moral obligations defined by Edwardsean theology implied moral right. Haynesís early commitment to Edwardsean theology, traditional Calvinism, and anti-slavery principles in his earliest writing, ďLiberty Further Extended,Ē was an important point of departure for an altogether typical New Light career. The much more famous discourse, ďUniversal Salvation,Ē that provocatively links the doctrine of universalism with the devilís assault upon godliness is part of a sustained characterization of the sinful will, a characterization that shapes much of Haynesís preaching. His career suggests the nexus of thought that grounded the evangelical Protestant and libertarian principles of early black writers in the late eighteenth and the early nineteenth century. Ė Phillip M. Richardson
I think you missed my point. I'm not writing about formal theology, but theleogy that is spawned from the slave experience in the new world, that including South America, the Carribean, and North America. I'm highlighting the common sentiment admist slave enclaves.
Don't twist the thread to something its not intended for.

Enigmatic
10-19-2006, 02:09 PM
Taken from wikipedia

interesting to note: Observe the following stats. the predominant pentacostal bodies constitute primarily of Blacks, be it domestically or foreign.
Statistics
See List of Christian denominations by number of members. The list indicates there may be 150 million Pentecostals with the largest Pentecostal denominations (claiming 2 million or more adherents) being:

Assemblies of God - 51 million
Independent, loosely affiliated and free Pentecostal churches - 50 million

Kimbanguist Church - 8 million
Church of God in Christ - 7 million
The Apostolic Church - 6 million
Church of God (Cleveland) - 5 million
Christ Apostolic Church - 2.8 million
Christian Congregation of Brazil- 2.5 million
Zion Christian Church - 2.5 million
Church of the Lord Aladura - 2.5 million
International Church of the Foursquare Gospel 2 million
Universal Church of the Kingdom of God - 2 million
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada - 1 million
Christian Outreach Centre - less than 1 million
While not as large as some of the above organizations the following have made quite an impact on Pentecostalism:

Church of Jesus Christ of Prophecy (AKA Mercy Tabernacle, Benton Tennessee)
International Church of Jesus Christ (Columbus, Ohio)
Potter's House Christian Fellowship (Prescott, Arizona)
Apostolic Brethren (Columbus, Ohio)
United Christian Church (Cleveland, Tennessee)
Geographical distribution

Africa: 41.1 million
Nigeria: 12.1 million
Kenya: 4.1 million
South Africa: 3.4 million
Ethiopia: 2.6 million
South America: 32.4 million
Brazil: 13.5 million
Argentina: 3.5 million
Chile: 1.8 million
North America: 26.5 million
United States: 20.2 million
Mexico: 2.7 million
Guatemala: 2.0 million
Canada: 1.3 million
Asia: 15.3 million
China: unknown; believed to be several million
Indonesia: 5.0 million
India: 3.9 million
South Korea: 1.7 million (low)
Europe: 4.3 million
United Kingdom: 0.9 million
Italy: 0.4 million
Sweden: 0.1 million
Norway: 0.045 million (source: Statistics Norway 2004)
Finland: 0.045 million (source: Wikipedia in finnish and Seurakuntaopas 2006)
Iceland: 0.003 million* (source: Statistics Iceland)
Oceania: 3.3 million
Papua New Guinea: 0.4 million
Australia: 0.4 million


I point this out to underline the African allure to Pentacostalism is predicated upon his spiritualism. It is not even so much a matter of theology as much as it is of practice, namely, religious ceremony. What the African found fascinating about Pentcostal church is the use of drums, the freedom to dance, tongues, falling out, and free expression as they are integral aspects of the Pentacostal experience. For the African Pentacostal was the closest thing to voodoo, voudon, juju, obe, shango. Of course in the process of time a theology --European influenced-- was adopted. But to this day the African gravitates to church that brings him/her back to their home. Matter of fact, I dare to say that Africans created Pentacostalism but like so many other African inventions they have not been credited with what is theirs.

Redeemed
10-19-2006, 02:28 PM
I think you missed my point. I'm not writing about formal theology, but theleogy that is spawned from the slave experience in the new world, that including South America, the Carribean, and North America. I'm highlighting the common sentiment admist slave enclaves.
Don't twist the thread to something its not intended for.

I'm sorry, my intent was not to twist your thread into anything. I thought your poem was really...nice. Incidentally the title of the thread is early African American Theology, so I posted a quote from an old African American Preacher and I posted some very interesting information about the 1st African American Pastor of a predominately white assembly.

How does that twist your thread? Which was my posts were explicitly about formal theology? What's the difference between formal & informal theology? Aren't you dealing with theology everytime you mention anything in existence?

Enigmatic
10-19-2006, 02:31 PM
I sorry, my intent is not to twist your thread into anything. I thought your poem was really...nice. Incidentally the title of the thread is early African American Theology, so I posted a quote from an old African American Preacher and I posted some very interesting information about the 1 African American Pastor of a predominately white assembly.

How does that twist your thread? Which was my posts were explicitly about formal theology? What's the difference between formal & informal theology? Aren't you dealing with theology everytime you mention anything in existence?
point taken.

Enigmatic
06-18-2009, 12:45 AM
that's some ill manure

Redeemed
06-18-2009, 08:07 AM
Out of this awful baptism of blood that has deluged tile earth, I can't help feeling that God is getting ready for some great spiritual awakening that He is getting ready to shake himself loose from this miserable semblance of Christianity that exists, and to set up in the earth a type of religion that will truly represent the spirit and teachings of Jesus Christ, a type of religion that will be as the inspired penman conceived it,

"Fair as the moon,
Clear as the sun,
Terrible as an army
with banners."

It. is because I believe a better type of Christianity is to appear, and appear speedily, and that. under its banner the world is to be conquered for Christ, and, in that conquest all the nations of the earth are to be blessed, that there is ground for thanksgiving, for rejoicing. Whether we realize it or not, God is on the throne; and, sooner or later he will make even the wrath of man to praise Him. "The heathen may rage; the people imagine a vain thing; the kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against His anointed." Yet, the declaration is, "I have set my king upon my holy hill of Zion." "I will give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost part of the earth for thy possession." And again, "he shall have dominion from sea to sea, and from the river to the ends of the earth." So that there is bound to be, sootier or later, the triumph of right, of justice; there is bound to be, under the dominating influence of the spirit of Jesus Christ, under the development or a better type of Christianity, the establishment of better conditions throughout the whole world, for all the races of mankind. The whole plane of life is going to be lifted. There is going to be a new earth. Old things are going to pass away. Tennyson's dream is going to be realized. Certain things are to be rung in, and certain things rung out.

Francis J. Grimke

Redeemed
06-18-2009, 08:12 AM
1 John 3:16-18

16We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

17But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth.

Galatians 6:1-5

1Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
2 Bear one anotherís burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
3 For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
4 But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor.
5 For each will have to bear his own load.

apokalum
06-18-2009, 08:30 AM
smh @ bumping this

d.hyde
06-18-2009, 08:58 AM
smh @ bumping this

lol@ apok da bump checka :)

chrisfamo
06-18-2009, 10:39 AM
What need have I of a God who hates me
Who supposedly made me but also Hades
Now back to Haiti
Moreover, Back to the mother land
In search of Judas the brother man
On the other hand
What good came out slavery?
I am not Joseph
But let me guess, when they traded me He saved me
What ever happened to sovereign will?
I was told the Sovereign will execute justice
Does that include just His
Or do I fall with the dogs looking for crumbs
And should I crumble at the feet of the Master
Or the one made in his image, white sheet masked master
I think Iíve mastered the art of docility
The wretched deem it a virtue, humility
To hate one self and love the foe
If I devote my every whim to him then I win at the end
But then again in this life Iíve lost
To what cost might I ask of thee
But therein lies the sin of blasphemy
So I pick cotton, I toil in fear
I seek neither to see nor to hear
Deaf, dumb, and blind
Hence, the parables are not mines
They are for the few
For many are called but most of them are Jews
For Me, faith is in my ancestors way
commemoration of natives present, tomorrow, and yesterday
I too worship the god of my forefathers
unlike you and your warships, who pillage in the name of four fathers
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the fourth, nameless
You speak of Good, but you are far from blameless

SNAP! SNAP! :cool:

jnorman888
06-18-2009, 11:22 AM
what inspires me?

Rosewood
Mississippi Burning
Reading up on the Haitian Revolution
TransAtlantic Slave Trade (Middle Passage)
V for Vendetta


just to name a few


Are you "manbehindbars" from years ago? You sound just like him.


But you should find a better source for motivation
everything you listed will only lead towards inward agitation
hate against your brother of another skin color
what we need is reconciliation
The Peace of Jesus spreading throughout our Nation
My prayer is that you will overcome this temptation
For retaliation won't change past discrimination

Rosewood
Mississippi
and the TransAtlantic Slave Trade

Were true atrocities that will be forever in our memories
Revenge is not the key
To bring justice to darkness
Our enemies must see
The light of Christ on bended knee
For we all came from one seed
One Race, one Adamic tree
We are all brothers and sisters
In need of redemption
This includes those in whom you have a hard time forgiving
Our ancestors would want us to live
So we will have to learn to forgive
For the people that did that are dead
But we must remember and live
Turning the other cheeck is not a tactic of the weak
It's a method of the strong for we all must get along

The Jews fought the Romans and were deafeted
The Christians were persecuted and ended up seated
As the head and not the tail of the Roman Empire

Learn this lesson Enigmatic and you won't stress the static
If you want to change America it is not through Vendetta





JNORM888

It's been years since I keystyled.....let alone rhymed

Enigmatic
06-20-2009, 02:05 PM
are you seriousJNORM888. Know ye not that hate begets love. You need some Freud in your life

jnorman888
06-20-2009, 03:48 PM
are you seriousJNORM888. Know ye not that hate begets love. You need some Freud in your life


I'm very serious.








JNORM888