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    Quote Originally Posted by coolbreeze View Post
    Lol, at lecrae referring to himself in the third person. He's officially a superstar.
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    It really is amazing to see what God is doing through Lecrae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ras View Post
    If he continues to be a Kobe hater, he will continue to be blessed.
    So now we know the real reason why sho left reach. so I guess ras will be a cray Stan from now on


    I think it's cool how hes praying with these athletes and really hasn't publicized it to anybody till now and he does it for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joseph29 View Post
    So now we know the real reason why sho left reach. so I guess ras will be a cray Stan from now on


    I think it's cool how hes praying with these athletes and really hasn't publicized it to anybody till now and he does it for free.
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    Default Lecrae the most popular & open artist?

    Without a doubt Lecrae is the most popular CHH artist but is he the most open artist whos willing to work with others? I say this because despite the fact that he is the most popular rapper he is collaborating with many artists not just his fellow reach record artists...for example he has collaborated with the breax,katalyst, von won, propaganda, christon gray,chris tomlin, toby mac, wit, Dre murray, beautiful eulogy, 10th ave north,family force 5.kj52, Mouthpiece etc.... So he has worked with many artists and is aware of other artists while on the other hand ive seen other big name artists like Flame, Tbone etc who have been asked what are some of the other christian artists or rappers that theyre listeining too or would like to work with and they both have said that theyre pretty ignorant as to others music...so with that being said i believe that even though he is the most famous Lecrea is the most open to work with others and does pay attention to other artists in the genre and does collabs with pretty much anybody well known or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reneac View Post
    Without a doubt Lecrae is the most popular CHH artist but is he the most open artist whos willing to work with others? I say this because despite the fact that he is the most popular rapper he is collaborating with many artists not just his fellow reach record artists...for example he has collaborated with the breax,katalyst, von won, propaganda, christon gray,chris tomlin, toby mac, wit, Dre murray, beautiful eulogy, 10th ave north,family force 5.kj52, Mouthpiece etc.... So he has worked with many artists and is aware of other artists while on the other hand ive seen other big name artists like Flame, Tbone etc who have been asked what are some of the other christian artists or rappers that theyre listeining too or would like to work with and they both have said that theyre pretty ignorant as to others music...so with that being said i believe that even though he is the most famous Lecrea is the most open to work with others and does pay attention to other artists in the genre and does collabs with pretty much anybody well known or not.
    I logged in just to reply to this haha...

    He has not collabed with Mouthpi3ce. I wish he would for Mouthpi3ce's sake, Mouth could really use some exposure and some better production.

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    Truth collabs with a lot of people and has been doing this far longer, I think Lecrae is more strategic with his collaborations, whereas Manny just be haphazard with his. Also I think Lecrae has said countless times he's not just open to collabing with anyone. What unknown artists has Crae collabed with? I see him linking with established acts outside his fanbase for exposure. I haven't seen him do songs with nobodies. I'm glad he doesn't just collab with people in his clique that's what 50 did and we seen what hapened to those guys...

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    I think most artists are only going to collaborate with artists who are going to bring them up higher to some degree (e.g., known secular underground emcee (Saigon) bringing Lecrae more exposure to the broad hip hop community while Lecrae (one of the hotter artists out now) brings potentially new audiences to Saigon's fanbase).

    In CHH, there are seems to also be:

    1. built relationships
    2. mutual respect for each other's craft and/or
    3. intertwined crews/doctrinal beliefs.

    I think these are the main reasons CHH artists collaborate. It still doesn't mean that CHH "emcee mainstream" will collaborate with CHH "emcee dope lyrical genius" though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellek View Post
    I think most artists are only going to collaborate with artists who are going to bring them up higher to some degree (e.g., known secular underground emcee (Saigon) bringing Lecrae more exposure to the broad hip hop community while Lecrae (one of the hotter artists out now) brings potentially new audiences to Saigon's fanbase).

    In CHH, there are seems to also be:

    1. built relationships
    2. mutual respect for each other's craft and/or
    3. intertwined crews/doctrinal beliefs.

    I think these are the main reasons CHH artists collaborate. It still doesn't mean that CHH "emcee mainstream" will collaborate with CHH "emcee dope lyrical genius" though.
    i think this is prettymuch true for all collabs, very few are happenstance or random collaborations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Ole Me View Post
    i think this is prettymuch true for all collabs, very few are happenstance or random collaborations.
    Except in the general hip hop market, many artists collaborate just because one (or both) of them are hot at the moment…or an OG emcee may collab with a new hot emcee to revitalize his/her brand (e.g., 50 Cent and Master P recently recording songs with Chief Keef).

    That doesn't necessarily happen in CHH, if at all.

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    Interesting conversation.

    For what it's worth, T-bone (who's popularity peaked years ago) was one of the first Christian emcees to collaborate with "secular" artists, from KRS-One, Mista Grimm, Mack 10, and Chino XL to the likes of Montell Jordan & Lil' Zane. He certainly worked with many "secular" producers over the years: Bobcat, Muffla, King Tech, Fredwreck & Darkchild (who have produced for the likes of 2Pac, Easy-E, Ice Cube, Snoop, Xzibit, LL Cool J, Run DMC...

    What I find curious is that while he has collaborarted with many "Christian" & "Gospel" artists (i.e. Yolanda Adams, Toby Mac, Israel & New Breed, Rachel Lampa, Audio Adrenaline, Michael Tait & Carman) over the years, I believe it's been 20 years since he last collaborated with fellow "Christian" emcees (i.e. Freedom Of Soul), or even earlier when he was down with J.C. & The Boyz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Ole Me View Post
    Truth collabs with a lot of people and has been doing this far longer, I think Lecrae is more strategic with his collaborations, whereas Manny just be haphazard with his. Also I think Lecrae has said countless times he's not just open to collabing with anyone. What unknown artists has Crae collabed with? I see him linking with established acts outside his fanbase for exposure. I haven't seen him do songs with nobodies. I'm glad he doesn't just collab with people in his clique that's what 50 did and we seen what hapened to those guys...
    Lecrae has collabed with me on two different occasions...and I'm pretty unknown. Lecrae collabed with "Katalyst" (now Kareem Manuel) when he wasn't really known at all. I appreciate that he collabs with the unknowns lol

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    But lecrae won't THAT big when 13 letters dropped if memory serves correct, plus weren't yall affiliated just like Kareem was prior to collab? or did the collaboration precede the relationship? sn: you need to do another VA show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dchase116 View Post
    Lecrae has collabed with me on two different occasions...and I'm pretty unknown. Lecrae collabed with "Katalyst" (now Kareem Manuel) when he wasn't really known at all. I appreciate that he collabs with the unknowns lol
    i like dat song too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alarma View Post
    Interesting conversation.

    For what it's worth, T-bone (who's popularity peaked years ago) was one of the first Christian emcees to collaborate with "secular" artists, from KRS-One, Mista Grimm, Mack 10, and Chino XL to the likes of Montell Jordan & Lil' Zane. He certainly worked with many "secular" producers over the years: Bobcat, Muffla, King Tech, Fredwreck & Darkchild (who have produced for the likes of 2Pac, Easy-E, Ice Cube, Snoop, Xzibit, LL Cool J, Run DMC...

    What I find curious is that while he has collaborarted with many "Christian" & "Gospel" artists (i.e. Yolanda Adams, Toby Mac, Israel & New Breed, Rachel Lampa, Audio Adrenaline, Michael Tait & Carman) over the years, I believe it's been 20 years since he last collaborated with fellow "Christian" emcees (i.e. Freedom Of Soul), or even earlier when he was down with J.C. & The Boyz.
    Well, I think it happens that his relationship with a lot of the Christian emcees was pretty strained over the years. He used models of mainstream radio to get some of the collabs, and I'm sure his relationship with Sway helped. He does get overlooked a lot in the areas you mentioned, as do Gospel Gangstaz, Grits, Cas Metah, etc, etc, etc, as far as all of these "new" types of collabs go with secular artists and producers. The list is long of emcees who have done this, many years ago all the way up to currently. It's definitely not a competition, but it's most certainly interesting to see the reactions change and opinions shift, solely based on who's doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Ole Me View Post
    But lecrae won't THAT big when 13 letters dropped if memory serves correct, plus weren't yall affiliated just like Kareem was prior to collab? or did the collaboration precede the relationship? sn: you need to do another VA show.
    Lecrae was already huge by the time 13 letters came out and Reach was already the benchmark of CHH labels (from a business POV).

    Him not collaborate with every unknown may just be a limitation due to the fact that he is human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil View Post
    Lecrae was already huge by the time 13 letters came out and Reach was already the benchmark of CHH labels (from a business POV).

    Him not collaborate with every unknown may just be a limitation due to the fact that he is human.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Plain Ole Me View Post
    i think this is prettymuch true for all collabs, very few are happenstance or random collaborations.
    I would say the Lecrae FF5 collab was certainly random.. it was the fans that got that collab to happen, but yea you are right most are certainly planned out or are due to the three reasons someone above mentioned..

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    I think Lecrae has the most collabs in such a short period of time. Something tells me we should be expecting a Lecrae & Mary Mary collab soon.

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