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    on twitter...just search Lecrae and/ or G Craige's name and check the past hour or so...
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    Lecrae: good sir. Humanity's problem is ALWAYS a sin problem not a music, art, or culture problem. The solution is ALWAYS Jesus.

    G Craige: Hip hop is a subculture. There is a difference. Ask it's founders. The ones that praise your talent without accepting your God.

    G Craige: because you publicly defended hip hop, we must publicly defend Christ against it. you have yet to denounce the founders of hip hop

    Lecrae: Hip hop has no founders unless you include Jazz & poets from the 40's - 60's. It has prominent figures as does any culture.

    Lecrae: the prominent historic figures were very likely Satanic but they don't account for what God intends and calls good. 1 Tim 4:4

    Lecrae: in love sir I would love to dialogue about it. I'm sure we have theological differences but attacking one another is unGodly.

    G Craige: no attacks in truth my friend. it's all truth here. and we don't consider this attacking. we just show what you said and shed light

    Lecrae: Id say it's attacking of you think I'm a brother and you don't personally address me before publicly addressing me. Matt 18:15-18

    G Craige: denounce those guys that teach false doctrine and have their own bible. let KRSONE and all of hip hop know that they are wrong

    Lecrae: anyone who starts a religion called Hip Hop is foolishly mistaken and in need of the A biblical Gospel.

    Lecrae: I don't agree with KRSONE on that at all.
    Then it ended as far as I know. I think the whole thing started with this: https://www.facebook.com/exministrie...63695573664329

    Also, G Craige made his Twitter account private.

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    And you people wonder why Lecrae has been writing the verses he has been writing.

    Sad, that 325 people are co-signing G.Craig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Train View Post
    And you people wonder why Lecrae has been writing the verses he has been writing.

    Sad, that 325 people are co-signing G.Craig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr808 View Post
    lol, Dont worry I'm African American.

    The comments on G.Craig's status is just ridiculous though.

    "Don't understand why some of you even like ex ministries if you don't even understand what it is about. Music! Hip hop is demonic and I know first hand.Lacrae is a simple case of I want to claim Jesus but give up nothing for him. For that he is a fool."
    "I pray that Lecrae embraces Jesus and realizes that id Jesus is exalted that He alone is enough to draw ALL men...people were getting saved long before hip hop existed...I don't think God needs or wants it's help now. Next we're going to have "holy" porn stars infiltrating that industry to win souls... foolishness!"
    "Doesn't surprise me that Lecrae would do that...after all wasn't he doing the OPPOSITE of what the scripture said when he was in the cypher with his hip hop brethren? Come out from among them...be ye SEPERATE...TOUCH NOT the unclean thing...be not conformed to this world...not one human is perfect but we can at least not reject truth...I knew he had accepted the lie when I read from my fb friends stats .that he was "going in" on bet hip hop awards. I pray that he"

    This one just made NO lick of sense to me. DMX, Bone Thugs, and Tupac most likely heard "Demons" inside there head, because they were busy getting High, and taking various sorts of Drugs.

    "Marco Viera Pride is blinding. makes people shut their eyes and plug their ears; then comes a fall. When in doubt just seek GOD and ask what is true. If you refuse to seek GOD to know if it is true or not, Then you are judging by your own standards and have exalted your own emotions over seeking GOD for an answer. I only half accepted Ex-Ministries' message when I first heard it, but the demons and spiritual consequences of hiphop was something I had already witnessed, fought with, and was aware of. Only I hadn't heard the Gospel of Christ before, so I stuggled to figure it out on my own. I saw dmx, bonethugs, and 2pac openly talk about the same demons that were in my ear, so I related and looked for answers within hiphop before I knew that hiphop was harboring the demons that came against me. Hiphop is the product of a fatherless generation, first embraced by a fatherless generation, now promoting the behavior that leads to fatherless homes. Demonic, period. I didn't immediately receive EVERYTHING Ex-ministries said, but What I did do was ask GOD, If they are right- Show me, If I am wrong- Change me. Christ saved me, and I've never been comfortable with Christian rappers because they refuse to denounce hiphop, and everyone who's lived it knows- It's a LIFESTYLE not a music style, it's a state of mind and mentality with it's own spiritual beliefs. Pray to GOD to know the truth instead of fighting so hard for something you haven't even talked to GOD about."

    Wow just wow.
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    G-Craig is an IDIOT. I mean who is still listening to this clown.

    I thought he would of been shut down by now after those touching lil girl's issues came out about him. Dude needs to take a seat. I know I don't agree with Crayola's methodology either but G. Craig? G. Craig?..... Dude please....



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    Cant lie..... got type angry when I saw this.... then got even more angry at the comments on facebook I had to post. This is what I posted

    Soooooo since when has a music genre been inherently evil?? Since when does some guy who attributes religious qualities/morale to genre of music, suddenly make the genre a religion?( I swear it seems alot of yall be committing the equivocation fallacy by large). Since when has gospel music been its own genre, instead of a label given to a song pertaining to its SUBJECT MATTER? You guys take these huge leaps and assumptions, then apply scripture with your faulty perception on Hip Hop, then you claim it to be scriptural. Trying to apply the laws to partial, very partial matters. I say this in meekness, but some of you guys should really be ashamed to call yourselves Brothers and Sisters when you crucify another brother because he chooses to use a genre in which to portray the glory of God to the world, and on a platform where he is actually doing that. You guys should be praising God for people from the world hearing this music and being brought to God by his music. That's all I have to say... hope you guys humble yourselves and throw away your foolish Pharisaical rebukes. Pce and God Bless

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    I don't think G Craig will ever budge. He definitely has lots of pride and isn't willing to listen to anyone unless they agree with him. I pray the Lord softens that man's heart. *sigh*

    I do remember a while back members from CM and GCraig had dialogue about this same issue. Seems he hasn't changed his stance.

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    G Craige probably wouldn't agree to have a dialogue with Lecrae unless he can get it on a DVD. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodiz View Post

    Lecrae: good sir. Humanity's problem is ALWAYS a sin problem not a music, art, or culture problem. The solution is ALWAYS Jesus.

    G Craige: Hip hop is a subculture. There is a difference. Ask it's founders. The ones that praise your talent without accepting your God.

    G Craige: because you publicly defended hip hop, we must publicly defend Christ against it. you have yet to denounce the founders of hip hop

    Lecrae: Hip hop has no founders unless you include Jazz & poets from the 40's - 60's. It has prominent figures as does any culture.

    Lecrae: the prominent historic figures were very likely Satanic but they don't account for what God intends and calls good. 1 Tim 4:4

    Lecrae: in love sir I would love to dialogue about it. I'm sure we have theological differences but attacking one another is unGodly.

    G Craige: no attacks in truth my friend. it's all truth here. and we don't consider this attacking. we just show what you said and shed light

    Lecrae: Id say it's attacking of you think I'm a brother and you don't personally address me before publicly addressing me. Matt 18:15-18

    G Craige: denounce those guys that teach false doctrine and have their own bible. let KRSONE and all of hip hop know that they are wrong

    Lecrae: anyone who starts a religion called Hip Hop is foolishly mistaken and in need of the A biblical Gospel.

    Lecrae: I don't agree with KRSONE on that at all.

    Then it ended as far as I know. I think the whole thing started with this: https://www.facebook.com/exministrie...63695573664329

    Also, G Craige made his Twitter account private.



    In all seriousness though.... glad they finally can dialogue respectfully one on one. Will be praying for a fruitful discussion between these two. I think G Craig means well he is just very misguided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samson View Post
    I don't think G Craig will ever budge. He definitely has lots of pride and isn't willing to listen to anyone unless they agree with him. I pray the Lord softens that man's heart. *sigh*

    I do remember a while back members from CM and GCraig had dialogue about this same issue. Seems he hasn't changed his stance.

    Just keep praying for him.


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    so theres a brother I used to minister with a while back, and dude is awesome, kinda reminds me of Jovan though... We stopped choppin it up tho becaue we keep bumpin heads on this issue, this is the convo we just had on FB

    Richard Cutright
    G Craige: denounce those guys that teach false doctrine and have their own bible. let KRSONE and all of hip hop know that they are wrong

    Lecrae: anyone who starts a religion called Hip Hop is foolishly mistaken and in need of the A biblical Gospel.

    Lecrae: I don't agree with KRSONE on that at all.

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    Lecrae is an idiot. KRS-one did not ask lecrae what he thought hip hop was: KRS-one is the founding father of hip hop. He knows what it is and what it is not. Lecrae is a fan of hip hop. KRS-one didn't just think of this one day: he is telling people what hip hop really is. He is setting up hip hop temples across the world for people to worship. And y'all are the only ones saying that the founding fathers are wrong about their creation.

    Richard Cutright
    G Craige: Hip hop is a subculture. There is a difference. Ask it's founders. The ones that praise your talent without accepting your God.

    G Craige: because you publicly defended hip hop, we must publicly defend Christ against it. you have yet to denounce the founders of hip hop

    Lecrae: Hip hop has no founders unless you include Jazz & poets from the 40's - 60's. It has prominent figures as does any culture.

    Lecrae: the prominent historic figures were very likely Satanic but they don't account for what God intends and calls good. 1 Tim 4:4

    Lecrae: in love sir I would love to dialogue about it. I'm sure we have theological differences but attacking one another is unGodly.

    SO GOD WHO IS THE GIVER OF THE GIFT!!! THE GIVER OF THE GIFT IS DISPLEASED BY ECRAE USING HIS GIFT TO SOW SEED AND PREACH SALVATION AND PREACH JESUS TO EVERY NATION?
    GOD GAVE YOU THE SAME GIFT AND YOU USE IT THE SAME WAY

    Richard Cutright
    CRAIG SAID DENOUNCE KRS ONE AND HIS TEACHING
    AND CRAE SAID I DONT AGREE WITH IT AT ALL.

    Terrance
    Bruh hip hop is not a gift, and it is not from God. Period. I find it very interesting you are defending lacrae. What lacrae is doing is raising up a bunch of lukewarm christians who will choose to live by hip hop rather than the word

    Richard Cutright
    AND THEN YOUR RESPONSE IS KRSONE DIDNT ASK LECRAE WHAT HE THINKS
    HE JUST SAID HE DOESNT AGREE WITH IT AT A BUT THAT ANSWER ISNT GOOD ENOUGH
    SMH

    Terrance
    NO. THAT ANSWER IS IRRELEVANT. BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE RELIGION OF HIP HOP. SUPPOSE YOU DIS AGREE WITH CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT ISLAM. CAN YOU TAKE IT GIVE IT TO GOD, AND THINK HE IS GONNA SANCTIFY IT AND CALL IT HOLY ISLAM? HIP HOP HAS A GOD: BLACK PEOPLE THE FOUNDING FATHERS HAVE ALREADY LABELED IT. AND HAD IT REGISTERED: IT IS A RELIGION. YOU CAN'T TAKE CAN'T ANY OTHER RELIGION AND MAKE IT HOLY. YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH HIP HOPIT WOULDN'T BE DECEPTION IF IT WAS OBVIOUS.

    Richard Cutright
    IT IS OBVIOUS
    I GUESS THE END RESULT IS THIS
    WE WILL ALL ONE DAY FIND OUT
    REGARDESS I WILL CONTINUE TO REJOICE FOR HIS MINISTRY AND YOURS BECAUSE THE NAME OF CHRIST IS BEING PROFESSED AND SALVATION BEING PREACHED

    Terrance
    ONE DAY YOU WILL. I AM NOT LOOKING. WE'VE BEEN AROUND THIS MOUNTAIN TOO MAY TIMES, AND MY ANSWER IS STILL THE SAME: HIP HOP DON'T BELONG IN THE CHURCH, BECAUSE IT IS SATANIC...


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    When will folk realize that G. Craig is the Karrine Stephans of Christian entertainment ? He's an entertainer. He builds his following through controversy. That's all there is to it and that's all he's majorly concerned about. A few good messages here and there, some things that are actually true and then a bit of stirring the hornets' nest to rile up his current followers and attract some attention/controversy and maybe some new ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K-Train View Post
    lol, Dont worry I'm African American.


    Forgive my shock, but because of your extreme love of KJ, I just assumed. Wrongly. My apologies.
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    I pray that Lecrae embraces Jesus and realizes that id Jesus is exalted that He alone is enough to draw ALL men...people were getting saved long before hip hop existed...I don't think God needs or wants it's help now. Next we're going to have "holy" porn stars infiltrating that industry to win souls... foolishness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCalvinist View Post
    When will folk realize that G. Craig is the Karrine Stephans of Christian entertainment ? He's an entertainer. He builds his following through controversy. That's all there is to it and that's all he's majorly concerned about. A few good messages here and there, some things that are actually true and then a bit of stirring the hornets' nest to rile up his current followers and attract some attention/controversy and maybe some new ones.
    The Karrine Stephens? lol *eye squint*...
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    You know, I think there is a point somewhere in the middle to be made by G Craig (well, maybe not in the middle). Some of the contextualization of the gospel stuff goes too far imo. Sometimes evangelistic rappers come off (I doubt they intend to) that unless the gospel is contextualized to the point of being in hip hop form that certain people will not hear it or care about it.

    To a certain extent, it's insulting. It seems like it almost assumes that rap fans or people in urban culture are too dumb to just understand regular ol' english and a straightforward message of God sacrificing himself on behalf of others. I enjoy contextualization and think it can be helpful but don't think it is necessary and can often be belittling if/when it assumes stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjamin View Post
    You know, I think there is a point somewhere in the middle to be made by G Craig (well, maybe not in the middle). Some of the contextualization of the gospel stuff goes too far imo. Sometimes evangelistic rappers come off (I doubt they intend to) that unless the gospel is contextualized to the point of being in hip hop form that certain people will not hear it or care about it.

    To a certain extent, it's insulting. It seems like it almost assumes that rap fans or people in urban culture are too dumb to just understand regular ol' english and a straightforward message of God sacrificing himself on behalf of others. I enjoy contextualization and think it can be helpful but don't think it is necessary and can often be belittling if/when it assumes stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjamin View Post
    You know, I think there is a point somewhere in the middle to be made by G Craig (well, maybe not in the middle). Some of the contextualization of the gospel stuff goes too far imo. Sometimes evangelistic rappers come off (I doubt they intend to) that unless the gospel is contextualized to the point of being in hip hop form that certain people will not hear it or care about it.

    To a certain extent, it's insulting. It seems like it almost assumes that rap fans or people in urban culture are too dumb to just understand regular ol' english and a straightforward message of God sacrificing himself on behalf of others. I enjoy contextualization and think it can be helpful but don't think it is necessary and can often be belittling if/when it assumes stupidity.
    I can agree with this point, BUT, I disagree that this is G. Craig's point, or really even close to it. He might see it and agree with part of it, but then spew the 99% irrationality that goes along with the rest of his message. Again though, I agree with your point here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    I can agree with this point, BUT, I disagree that this is G. Craig's point, or really even close to it. He might see it and agree with part of it, but then spew the 99% irrationality that goes along with the rest of his message. Again though, I agree with your point here.
    Agreed. That's why I mentioned not really in the middle b/c he seems to be of that ignorant "it's of the devil" persuasion and not a nuanced thinker (seems like that's my personal soapbox of late).

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