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    Jnorm, I don't think I have ever asked you this but what denomination are you a part of fam?

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    I think he is Eastern Orthodox if I remember correctly.

    Very well versed in biblical history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jovanmackenzy View Post
    It amazes me how so many people on threads bash reformed theology or(calvinism) and say thats its not of God and its demonic and express how much they are disgusted with it. But yet these same people listen to Flame, Lecrae, Trip lee, shai linne, Katalyst and other reformed artist as well.
    I dont know if threads like these ever go anywhere positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey.Dub View Post
    I just thought this may be helpful to you brother Rob



    1.Hyper-Calvinism: Beliefs: God is the author of sin and man has no responsibility before God. The Gospel should only preached to the elect. i.e. duty faith. and anti-missionary Belief in the five points is a prerequisite for true salvation, also known as Neo-Gnostic Calvinism. Proponents: Joseph Hussey John Skepp and some English primitive Baptists.


    2.Ultra High Calvinism: Beliefs: That the elect are in some sense eternally justified. A denial of: The Well– Meant Offer; Common Grace; and God having any love for the non-elect. Proponents: John Gill, some ministers in the Protestant Reformed Church of America


    3.High Calvinism: Beliefs: That God in no sense desires to save the reprobate, Most deny the Well-Meant Offer. Supralapsarian viewing God’s decrees. All hold to limited atonement. Most believe in particular grace and see the atonement as sufficient only for the elect. Proponents: Theodore Beza, Gordon Clark, Arthur Pink


    4.Moderate Calvinism: Beliefs: That God does in some sense desires to save the reprobate, Infralapsarian in viewing God’s decrees. Affirms Common Grace. Proponents: John Calvin (some argue that he was a High-Calvinist), John Murray, RL Dabney


    5.Low Calvinism: Beliefs: That Christ died for all in a legal sense, so one can speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills. Affirms the Well-Meant Offer and Common Grace, Proponents: Amyraldrians , RT Kendal


    6.Lutheranism: Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereignty over man’s responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that some are predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That the sacraments are means of grace regardless of one’s faith. Proponents: Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt

    Thanks Trey.

    So there's different levels of belief within the system?

    Ok, but which one is the one that believes God is the author of sin, but He isn't guilty of sin because He's God, yet man still has responsibility for their sin? High Calvinism?

    Awww man. Well, that figures, but I know many Calvinists will say that some of these beliefs on this list aren't Calvinist at all.

    You either have to take all 5 of the points and their implications or none because they all stand together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jovanmackenzy View Post
    according to benny hinn i am.lol
    touche. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey.Dub View Post
    I just thought this may be helpful to you brother Rob


    1.Hyper-Calvinism:
    2.Ultra High Calvinism:
    3.High Calvinism:
    4.Moderate Calvinism:
    5.Low Calvinism:
    6.Lutheranism:
    Which one of these is inline with the whole bible (or closest to it)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post

    Thanks Trey.

    So there's different levels of belief within the system?

    Ok, but which one is the one that believes God is the author of sin, but He isn't guilty of sin because He's God, yet man still has responsibility for their sin? High Calvinism?

    Awww man. Well, that figures, but I know many Calvinists will say that some of these beliefs on this list aren't Calvinist at all.

    You either have to take all 5 of the points and their implications or none because they all stand together.
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    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post
    So there's different levels of belief within the system?.
    Yes there are different types of Calvinists. They range from Hyper-Calvinism to Low Calvinism


    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post
    Ok, but which one is the one that believes God is the author of sin, but He isn't guilty of sin because He's God, yet man still has responsibility for their sin? High Calvinism?.
    That is what Hyper- Calvinists believe


    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post
    Awww man. Well, that figures, but I know many Calvinists will say that some of these beliefs on this list aren't Calvinist at all..
    All Calvinists affirm the TULIP, Gods sovereignty in all things, the 5 Solas and the Doctrine of Predestination.

    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post
    You either have to take all 5 of the points and their implications or none because they all stand together.
    If you are reffering to the TULIP, then you are 100% correct sir.
    Last edited by Trey.Dub; 08-17-2010 at 10:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shekinahsmoke View Post
    poor ROB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey.Dub View Post
    Yes there are different types of Calvinists. They range from Hyper-Calvinism to Low Calvinism




    That is what Hyper- Calvinists believe




    All Calvinists affirm the TULIP, Gods sovereignty in all things, the 5 Solas and the Doctrine of Predestination.



    If you are reffering to the TULIP, then you are 100% correct sir.

    How can moderate and low still be considered adherence to TULIP if they believe God desired to save the reprobate or died for them in a legal sense, but also believe He really didn't give the reprobate a real chance to be saved, ala Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election?

    Those two sound really inconsistent, to say the least.

    And that means we have mixture of various beliefs within the Calvinistic camp on this board.

    There are some who are hyper Calvinists and some who are not.

    Only one of the different beliefs within Calvinism seem to be totally consistent with TULIP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jovanmackenzy View Post
    I've never studied calvin to call myself one. Now if your asking me do i agree with the doctrines of grace and the tulip and God's sovereignty then yes. But i dont believe it because i was taught by a man. I believe it because when i was in word of faith i studied the word and began to see error's in what i had been taught. then when i started talking to people they assumed i was a calvinist.
    great, another closet Calvinist.. smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post

    How can moderate and low still be considered adherence to TULIP if they believe God desired to save the reprobate or died for them in a legal sense, but also believe He really didn't give the reprobate a real chance to be saved, ala Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election?

    Those two sound really inconsistent, to say the least.

    And that means we have mixture of various beliefs within the Calvinistic camp on this board.

    There are some who are hyper Calvinists and some who are not.

    Only one of the different beliefs within Calvinism seem to be totally consistent with TULIP.
    All I can say brother Rob is this, spend at least 3 months in your study closet and really scrutinize, exhaust, research and compare the 5 Points of Calvinism with the Word of God. I promise you that you will come out a "new" man. There is a lot of treasure you will excavate from the Bible.

    I know the thought may scare you, but I encourage you to dig deep into what we believe and by Gods grace, if the Lord wills, you will understand fully how the "Reformed camp" came to be.

    Be encouraged good sir
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    Quote Originally Posted by shekinahsmoke View Post
    I dont know if threads like these ever go anywhere positive.
    All of his threads are like this and he loves to be at the center of controversy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David L View Post
    great, another closet Calvinist.. smh.
    lol. listen to my albums i dont hide anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey.Dub View Post
    Jnorm, I don't think I have ever asked you this but what denomination are you a part of fam?
    I don't belong to a denomination. I don't believe in them. I am Pre-denominational.









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    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post

    How can moderate and low still be considered adherence to TULIP if they believe God desired to save the reprobate or died for them in a legal sense, but also believe He really didn't give the reprobate a real chance to be saved, ala Limited Atonement and Unconditional Election?

    Those two sound really inconsistent, to say the least.

    And that means we have mixture of various beliefs within the Calvinistic camp on this board.

    There are some who are hyper Calvinists and some who are not.

    Only one of the different beliefs within Calvinism seem to be totally consistent with TULIP.
    I don't think we are suppose to call Seal, Kingneb, Brandon, and them hyper-Calvinists. Kerry corrected me on this a month or two ago.

    He wants us to call them High Calvinists. Or those that tend to follow Theodore Beza.





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    Quote Originally Posted by ROB View Post
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    where's that in the bible?


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyMe View Post
    What's even more interesting is how many non Calvinist have no clue they are singing Calvinist hymns in Church every Sunday.
    True! I ain't gonna front, I still love Amazing Grace! But see, this only proves my point from a different thread..........The english speaking world is or at least one time was heavily influenced by the theology of Calvinism. It is in the very air we breath!

    Some of our cities were strong Calvinist strongholds, the same with some of our Universities and schools! Calvinism is all over the place in the English speaking world.......ya'll just didn't know it! And so it really doesn't matter if you didn't read John Calvin when you became a Calvinist! All you had to do was sing Hymns at church when you were little!

    And then BAM! 10 years later you woke up a Calvinist!







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    I never sang hymns. I was spanish AG for 6 years...before BAM I woke up calvinist....but I was awake though...
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