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    I know this man(who is white) whos church I used to go to mens Bible Study. I don't go any more tho.....

    I work at a grocery store, and he comes in and buys beer and ciggerretes every now and then. I don't say anything about it.

    Now he used to do crack or dope, but his wife prayed for him for years, and God delivered him-----long story short he is a nice guy, and a devout christian. BUT because he smokes and drinks, dose that make him not a christian? Is this drinking beer while being a christian a "white" thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by topherstyles View Post
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    I know this man(who is white) whos church I used to go to mens Bible Study. I don't go any more tho.....

    I work at a grocery store, and he comes in and buys beer and ciggerretes every now and then. I don't say anything about it.

    Now he used to do crack or dope, but his wife prayed for him for years, and God delivered him-----long story short he is a nice guy, and a devout christian. BUT because he smokes and drinks, dose that make him not a christian? Is this drinking beer while being a christian a "white" thing?
    I know people of all races that like to drink beer or wine or whatever and they are Christians. There is nothing wrong with alcohol itself, it is all about how YOU use it. God's creation is beautiful and in that creation he has provided all sorts of pleasures and gifts, as well as tools and helps. None of these are bad in and of themselves.

    Sex is a great thing, when enjoyed within God's creational and covenantal context. Abuse of this great thing is destructive.

    Alcohol is also part of God's creation. It is spoken of throughout scripture, sometimes in a positive light, sometimes in a negative one. Is this because God sometimes thought alcohol was a good thing and okay for his humanity to enjoy and at other times thought it was a sin? I dont believe God can be so capricious.

    A better explaination would be that Alcohol was given as a gift to humanity, since the fall we can now, and often times do, abuse this gift...the results are tragic.

    But as Christians we can again enjoy alcohol and use it correctly, and indeed if we do this it is a testimony to the world.

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    Dox,

    I'll drink to that....hahaha. Good word.

    Bottom line - Scripture is our guide in ethics and Scripture does not prohibit alcohol consumption. It's just that simple.

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    Is the alcohol today the same as wine in the bible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyMe View Post
    Is the alcohol today the same as wine in the bible?
    not even close, besides often times whenever the bible speaks of "wine" it's actually referring to non-fermented grape juice.

    the bible doesn't explicitly say not to drink alchohol but it does warn against it. but at the end of the day, folks are gonna do what they want. i won't say that doesn't make them a christian but it could cause their brother to stumble. i'd never tell anyone it's ok to drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhyMe View Post
    Is the alcohol today the same as wine in the bible?
    Probably not exactly the same because of how it's mass produced, but you'll notice that the wedding Jesus performed his first miracle at....some of them were already drunk. And they said(paraphrased) "Normally you'll serve the good wine first, and serve the cheap wine once everyone is drunk". So, the wine back then got people drunk, just like it can now. Only thing I've seen the Bible say against drinking is to not get drunk. And to watch who you do what around so that you don't cause another to stumble. But drinking beer or wine will not cause you to lose your salvation.

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    Shouldn't Christians avoid this apperance of evil? Even if it is consumed in moderation, there is definately an apperance of evil if somebody has alcohol in their hand and the bible is clear that Christians should avoid the apperance of evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by son of man View Post
    not even close, besides often times whenever the bible speaks of "wine" it's actually referring to non-fermented grape juice.
    As far as I've ever seen, that's never been proven. But, if you have proof, I'll look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topherstyles View Post
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    I know this man(who is white) whos church I used to go to mens Bible Study. I don't go any more tho.....

    I work at a grocery store, and he comes in and buys beer and ciggerretes every now and then. I don't say anything about it.

    Now he used to do crack or dope, but his wife prayed for him for years, and God delivered him-----long story short he is a nice guy, and a devout christian. BUT because he smokes and drinks, dose that make him not a christian? Is this drinking beer while being a christian a "white" thing?

    It's SO funny to me that you've asked this question. I've noticed the same thing honestly. At my last church, pred black, if someone even THINKS they might have seen you, with something that remotely resembles a can of beer or drink (like a mixed drink at Applebee's), you're salvation comes into question.

    At the end of the day though, I think it runs down denominational lines more than racial lines though. The SBC, which is pred white is NOT down for drinking on any level, while some of my PCA brethren (also pred white) may have a glass of wine (or beer) or two several times a month. It's about views on conscience and Christian liberty, I think.

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    the psalms says wine makes you glad... hmmmm
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    Toward the end of proverbs (I can't remember off the top) Solomon (by wisdom from God) states to reserve strong drink for the elderly/dying. Medicinal use.

    Also, when the bible speaks of wine, it is fermented. Check your sources. Noah drank and was drunk. Other people in the NT drank and were merry (buzzed). Proverbs said nothing against drinking but made many quotes concerning being a drunkard. Also, there is no scientific evidence to show that unfermented grape juice promotes digestive health. Wine is what helps. Therefore, when Paul states to have a little wine with a meal to help digestion, he was giving directions: it's okay...in moderation.



    BUT, nowadays, drinking is synonomous with sin so it's better to avoid it altogether IMO. I'm just saying it's not a sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloria View Post
    The SBC, which is pred white is NOT down for drinking on any level,
    Thats true I went to a Southern Baptist College and the dude whose dorm room was next to mine got kicked out of school cause he was at a party where there was drinking. He didnt drink himself but they kicked him out because he was "around drinkers". If they would have seen my family at my family reunion I probably would have been kicked out too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son of man View Post
    not even close, besides often times whenever the bible speaks of "wine" it's actually referring to non-fermented grape juice.
    That is false, son of man. God ok'd the use of "strong drink", which every Hebrew lexicon i have read states was highly intoxicating, hence the reason it is translated as "strong" drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quiet storm View Post
    Thats true I went to a Southern Baptist College and the dude whose dorm room was next to mine got kicked out of school cause he was at a party where there was drinking. He didnt drink himself but they kicked him out because he was "around drinkers".
    that is insane. That wasn't Boyce College was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by son of man View Post
    not even close, besides often times whenever the bible speaks of "wine" it's actually referring to non-fermented grape juice.

    the bible doesn't explicitly say not to drink alchohol but it does warn against it. but at the end of the day, folks are gonna do what they want. i won't say that doesn't make them a christian but it could cause their brother to stumble. i'd never tell anyone it's ok to drink.
    I agree. I'd never TELL someone to drink. I'd point them to the word. I also wouldn't try to bind their conscience by telling them not to, only the word should do that. I'd tell them to consider their witness, their background with alcohol, who they hang with on a regular basis, etc. At the end of the day, the word doesn't prohibit drinking alcohol, so who am I to do it? Now GETTING DRUNK is something completely different. Then we have to talk!

    Also, how do we know that "wine" in the Bible is not referring to actual wine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboy View Post
    As far as I've ever seen, that's never been proven. But, if you have proof, I'll look at it.
    the greek word translated "wine" in the NT can refer to fermented or unfermented grape juice. the context is what distinguishes or suggests one over the other. so whenever the bible speaks of Jesus turning water into wine, that doesn't mean that Jesus turned water into alcoholic drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king neb View Post
    that is insane. That wasn't Boyce College was it?
    Yup it was Boyce.

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    Hey, neb and I agree on something.

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    1 Tim 5:23

    No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.


    The water back then was unclean to drink and made people sick(as we see here with Timothy), so wine was the recommended drink because it was cleaner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by son of man View Post
    the greek word translated "wine" in the NT can refer to fermented or unfermented grape juice. the context is what distinguishes or suggests one over the other. so whenever the bible speaks of Jesus turning water into wine, that doesn't mean that Jesus turned water into alcoholic drink.
    It doesn't mean that, but the story itself implies that it was the same kind of drink(but better) that the guests had already been drinking and got DRUNK on. I'd say it would be pretty rare to see a translation where juice was meant instead of wine.

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