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the answer
10-24-2006, 08:43 PM
It's that time of year....what do yall think?

Is it wrong for christian parents to let their kids go out and 'trick or treat'




its Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 08:47 PM
It's that time of year....what do yall think?

Is it wrong for christian parents to let their kids go out and 'trick or treat'




its Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29

I wasnt allowed to participate, when i was a child, and it was explained why. After doing more research as an adult its not something i want to embed to son as something that is Ok. I cant give him any Biblical examples that would support it based on the fruit of the holiday.

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 08:50 PM
Nope. My kids won't be celebrating any pagan holidays ;) Not Easter, Christmas, OR Halloween.

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 08:52 PM
Nope. My kids won't be celebrating any pagan holidays ;) Not Easter, Christmas, OR Halloween.

You know, you should boycott everything pagan, Sun day = Sun God ect :D
Easter came from Ester, the God of Fertility

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 08:54 PM
That is why I said Easter... Ishtar *fertility goddess*, hence the rabbits which are one of the most productive animals on this planet, therefore symbolizing fertility...

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 08:56 PM
That is why I said Easter... Ishtar *fertility goddess*, hence the rabbits which are one of the most productive animals on this planet, therefore symbolizing fertility...

What about christmas? (which is really spelled wrong) Its supposed to me Christ Mass, from the Catholic Church.

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 09:00 PM
What about christmas? (which is really spelled wrong) Its supposed to me Christ Mass, from the Catholic Church.

Christmas is pagan as well... Long story. It's a commercialized holiday. Why have ONE day where we celebrate the birth of 'baby Jesus'. That should be an urrday thang. And if it is such a Christian holiday, why do even atheists take part in the traditional commercialism that is wrapped up in it.

Gift giving, good food, Santa, and candy.

Yep, that's the importance of the birth of Christ.

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 09:01 PM
Christmas is pagan as well... Long story. It's a commercialized holiday. Why have ONE day where we celebrate the birth of 'baby Jesus'. That should be an urrday thang. And if it is such a Christian holiday, why do even atheists take part in the traditional commercialism that is wrapped up in it.

Gift giving, good food, Santa, and candy.

Yep, that's the importance of the birth of Christ.

Agree, but have you took time out research St. Nicholas and his ministry?

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 09:05 PM
Agree, but have you took time out research St. Nicholas and his ministry?

He was a gift giver essentially, but nonetheless, still the wrong focus of 'Christmas'.

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 09:10 PM
He was a gift giver essentially, but nonetheless, still the wrong focus of 'Christmas'.

I agree that focus is shifted and been abused by the the Heathens, but would it be wrong to give honor where honor is due? I mean, I think its ok, as long the fruit is Christ-centered. I dont think it makes people anymore holy for doing good deeds or celebrating christmas, but i dont think it is a problem, as long as the reason for the season is trully correct

dremarshall
10-24-2006, 09:11 PM
Nope

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 09:11 PM
I agree that focus is shifted and been abused by the the Heathens, but would it be wrong to give honor where honor is due? I mean, I think its ok, as long the fruit is Christ-centered. I dont think it makes people anymore holy for doing good deeds or celebrating christmas, but i dont think it is a problem, as long as the reason for the season is trully correct

It shouldn't be a 'day' or a 'season'... It should be your LIFE, dude.

Brian
10-24-2006, 09:14 PM
I guess I'm evil then...

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 09:16 PM
Nope. My kids won't be celebrating any pagan holidays ;) Not Easter, Christmas, OR Halloween.
Pretty much. I agree with LifeInReturn.
Halloween and Easter are pagan holidays. As far as Christmas, there's a reason why it's called X-mas. to take Christ out. Christmas is a materialistic holiday which does not recognize Christ. Growing up in a secular family, Christmas was all about Santa Claus and receiving gifts to me, absolutely no reference was made to Christ in my family's home. I will not celebrate Christmas in the traditional sense. That is me and my house will not be buying each other expensive gifts but rather that day will be a day of prayer in my house to recognize the Holy Risen One, Jesus Christ, as should every day be.

Conviction Music
10-24-2006, 09:20 PM
It shouldn't be a 'day' or a 'season'... It should be your LIFE, dude.

It is my Life Dudette, but I guess to each his own. Let me clarify yall, I have never bought anyone a Christmas gift ever, and i prolly have recieved about 5 gifts for Christmas all my life. I didnt get a lot of stuff and my parents had BANK, just didnt get us a lot of gifts. So im not stuck on this holiday. Just a different perspective on the matter, thats all.

LifeInReturn
10-24-2006, 09:29 PM
As far as Christmas, there's a reason why it's called X-mas. to take Christ out.

Eh, that is kind of a common misconception I think.

Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ), used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ")

NinaNeen
10-24-2006, 09:37 PM
Nope. My kids won't be celebrating any pagan holidays ;) Not Easter, Christmas, OR Halloween.

^^ ditto...well my kids will celebrate Easter and Christmas even though the dates aren't accurate...and the world chooses to distort the true meaning...BUT DEFINITELY NO to halloween...DEFINITELY not...


It shouldn't be a 'day' or a 'season'... It should be your LIFE, dude.

and amen to that...I agree with that and as far as it being celebrated by pagans...personally, I'd rather have them celebrate Easter and Christmas and see them in church which is the only two times most people who ain't walking with Jesus go...and see them get saved at an easter/christmas production...that's my opinion of course...but I do see where you're coming from sis ;o)

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 09:39 PM
Eh, that is kind of a common misconception I think.

Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ), used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ")
alright. I didn't know that historical fact. Either way, the point that I was making is that, for all intents and purposes, Christ has been removed from the holiday of Christmas and the Christmas that America celebrates is more of a marketing strategy for businesses to get in the black.

Brian
10-24-2006, 09:40 PM
Ya'll better stop celbrating birthdays too, its the second most important holiday to devil worshippers after halloween...

thenewguy07
10-24-2006, 09:41 PM
Eh, that is kind of a common misconception I think.

Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ), used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ")

That's not the context it's used in...It's meant to take Christ's name out for political correctness. I do however agree that, that's a common misconception. I also think that just because other people mess up the focus of the day that we (we being those of us who do) celebrate the birth of the Christ, doesn't mean that we still can't do it with pure motives. Pagans read the Bible all the time...and they misinterpret it too. That doesn't take away the fact that it's still an infallible text inspired by God, by which I still choose to completely subscribe to (even though many people have twisted it to make a debauchery out of society). It's one thing if I'm corporately celebrating "Christmas" or "Easter" or even my "birthday" for that matter with people who don't know the true meaning...it's another thing when I'm devoting a whole day to honor Christ's birth or ressurrection with like-minded individuals. And I don't see it as religious rhetoric, or stale-tradition to do it on the same day either, because the other days I have work and school...the govt. gives me Christmas day off, and Easter off, so I can actually spend those entire days celebrating the Christ while still being subject to the laws of the land. That's just my unelaborated on $0.02

Brian
10-24-2006, 09:47 PM
And don't listen to rock, rap, jazz, blues et cetera because it comes from the voodoo jungles of Africa, or so they tell us... Lets be consistant ya'll what about pagan origins in the calendar? Soccer? And pretty much everything else?

BondServant
10-24-2006, 10:04 PM
I'll be celebrating. Can't wait till Oct. 31st

































Reformation Day!!!!!!!!

joseph29
10-24-2006, 10:31 PM
Good topic; do you guys believe that worship should be held on saturdays instead of sunday? Cuz the catholic church were the ones to institute sunday as a day of worship.
I'm a little confused at this point because several of my 7th day adventist friends make a good point that God never changed the day of worship from sat to sunday. But i've also seen several examples of the early church meeting on sunday such as with pentecost.

Enlighten
10-24-2006, 10:50 PM
No Halloween, I barely stand for Christmas cause the date is off but the flame broke it down makes me say aiight I recongize it but my kids will only get one cuz it aint they birthday it's the date we chose to celebrate Christ b-day cover over a pagan holiday. Now Easter nah, Resurrection we will on the correct day. :cool:

Peace

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 12:52 AM
Good topic; do you guys believe that worship should be held on saturdays instead of sunday? Cuz the catholic church were the ones to institute sunday as a day of worship.
I'm a little confused at this point because several of my 7th day adventist friends make a good point that God never changed the day of worship from sat to sunday. But i've also seen several examples of the early church meeting on sunday such as with pentecost.

It's simple. The Catholics didn't start sunday as the day of worship they did eventually make it a law though (Sunday Law). Some started to worship on Sunday because it's the day Christ arose, some kept the original Sabbath day to worship. I think the only wrong thing is when people don't aknowlege the true Sabbath day (i.e. Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy). Either way in Christ we are not bound by the Sabbath day as thee day of worship. As long as you wake up with Christ then that day is the day of worship. Even Christ aknowleged the day but did his thang on it and was not bind himself by it. So Saturday or Sunday is just fine.

CHRISTion
10-25-2006, 01:09 AM
And don't listen to rock, rap, jazz, blues et cetera because it comes from the voodoo jungles of Africa, or so they tell us... Lets be consistant ya'll what about pagan origins in the calendar? Soccer? And pretty much everything else?
Ya know...Brian brings up a good point here, we should REALLY start to be more consistent with the things we believe. HOWEVER, I don't think just because we're not 100% consistent that we should just say screw it and go get a Christmas tree and spend $4000 on gifts and write letters to some fat guy in a red suit either.

I look at Halloween as the PERFECT time to give out bible tracts, which is what I will be doing. Instead of ME going house to house, God sends 'em all my way ;) :D

Brian
10-25-2006, 01:15 AM
Ya know...Brian brings up a good point here, we should REALLY start to be more consistent with the things we believe. HOWEVER, I don't think just because we're not 100% consistent that we should just say screw it and go get a Christmas tree and spend $4000 on gifts and write letters to some fat guy in a red suit either.

I look at Halloween as the PERFECT time to give out bible tracts, which is what I will be doing. Instead of ME going house to house, God sends 'em all my way ;) :D

I agree... I'm not saying go broke on Christmas either. I got Christian neighbors and they like to hand out tracts and candy on halloween. They dress up a little too. I got a different method of evangelizing on my block but theres is cool with me too...

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 01:18 AM
As far as Christmas goes, it was actually created to worship/ reverence Mary (:eek: ) the mother of baby Jesus. The 25th of December was picked to counter the pagan holiday Saturnalia, yet the whole Christmas tree thing is pagan resedue of that same holiday.
Read this:
The earliest "Christians" were not interested in Jesus' birthday, but by the fourth century they had become very much interested. While interested in the Man Christ Jesus, their thought and affection did not as yet include the Child Jesus. But they came to focus their eyes upon Jesus the infant and Mary His mother. Many people were coming to the notion that his birthday should be observed. This idea came about as the "Church" began to regard Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a new light. She had long been revered along with the saints and Apostles, but only along with them. But now in this same fourth century she emerges as the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. There never would have been a Christmas except the worship of Mary had emerged. They now put her in Heaven, not merely as an intercessor, but a Queen.
-ask.com

Here's lyrics to a famous Christmas carol (remember, the pagans worshipped the evergreen tree that they cut down and decorated because it stayed green through the winters. i.e. Jeremiah10:1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says:
"Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter. )

...now...

Oh Christmas Tree

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree!
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!

Not only in the summertime,
But even in winter is thy prime.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
For every year the Christmas tree,
Brings to us all both joy and glee.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!
Each bough doth hold its tiny light,
That makes each toy to sparkle bright.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!

Brian
10-25-2006, 01:23 AM
Also, on the becoming like a jew to the jews and a gentile to the gentile tip... this is such a silly thing I wouldn't take a strong stance against it if it'll rub your unsaved neighbors the wrong way. However, you do you, if you got a strong conviction, I wouldn't want you to violate your conscience. Just don't celebrate, but don't be all up in your face with the pagan mumbo jumbo to your unsaved neighbors who value these holidays and hold precious memories of family traditions on them.

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 01:24 AM
Ya know...Brian brings up a good point here, we should REALLY start to be more consistent with the things we believe. HOWEVER, I don't think just because we're not 100% consistent that we should just say screw it and go get a Christmas tree and spend $4000 on gifts and write letters to some fat guy in a red suit either.

I look at Halloween as the PERFECT time to give out bible tracts, which is what I will be doing. Instead of ME going house to house, God sends 'em all my way ;) :D
Thats real.
And as far as the jazz, etc. Music is ultimately trased to heaven. Any music to glorify God is in it's original state, without the father music= perverted praise. Music isn't a man made tradition.
What was the soccer thing? Didn't they use to kick around a head or something?

Brian
10-25-2006, 01:27 AM
Thats real.
And as far as the jazz, etc. Music is ultimately trased to heaven. Any music to glorify God is in it's original state, without the father music= perverted praise. Music isn't a man made tradition.
What was the soccer thing? Didn't they use to kick around a head or something?

yep

CHRISTion
10-25-2006, 01:27 AM
The History of Christmas

The history of Christmas dates back over 4000 years. Many of our Christmas traditions were celebrated centuries before the Christ child was born. The 12 days of Christmas, the bright fires, the yule log, the giving of gifts, carnivals(parades) with floats, carolers who sing while going from house to house, the holiday feasts, and the church processions can all be traced back to the early Mesopotamians.

Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years. The Mesopotamians believed in many gods, and as their chief god - Marduk. Each year as winter arrived it was believed that Marduk would do battle with the monsters of chaos. To assist Marduk in his struggle the Mesopotamians held a festival for the New Year. This was Zagmuk, the New Year's festival that lasted for 12 days.

The Mesopotamian king would return to the temple of Marduk and swear his faithfulness to the god. The traditions called for the king to die at the end of the year and to return with Marduk to battle at his side.

To spare their king, the Mesopotamians used the idea of a "mock" king. A criminal was chosen and dressed in royal clothes. He was given all the respect and privileges of a real king. At the end of the celebration the "mock" king was stripped of the royal clothes and slain, sparing the life of the real king.

The Persians and the Babylonians celebrated a similar festival called the Sacaea. Part of that celebration included the exchanging of places, the slaves would become the masters and the masters were to obey.

Early Europeans believed in evil spirits, witches, ghosts and trolls. As the Winter Solstice approached, with its long cold nights and short days, many people feared the sun would not return. Special rituals and celebrations were held to welcome back the sun.

In Scandinavia during the winter months the sun would disappear for many days. After thirty-five days scouts would be sent to the mountain tops to look for the return of the sun. When the first light was seen the scouts would return with the good news. A great festival would be held, called the Yuletide, and a special feast would be served around a fire burning with the Yule log. Great bonfires would also be lit to celebrate the return of the sun. In some areas people would tie apples to branches of trees to remind themselves that spring and summer would return.

The ancient Greeks held a festival similar to that of the Zagmuk/Sacaea festivals to assist their god Kronos who would battle the god Zeus and his Titans.

The Roman's celebrated their god Saturn. Their festival was called Saturnalia which began the middle of December and ended January 1st. With cries of "Jo Saturnalia!" the celebration would include masquerades in the streets, big festive meals, visiting friends, and the exchange of good-luck gifts called Strenae (lucky fruits).

The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and green trees lit with candles. Again the masters and slaves would exchange places.

"Jo Saturnalia!" was a fun and festive time for the Romans, but the Christians though it an abomination to honor the pagan god. The early Christians wanted to keep the birthday of their Christ child a solemn and religious holiday, not one of cheer and merriment as was the pagan Saturnalia.

But as Christianity spread they were alarmed by the continuing celebration of pagan customs and Saturnalia among their converts. At first the Church forbid this kind of celebration. But it was to no avail. Eventually it was decided that the celebration would be tamed and made into a celebration fit for the Christian Son of God.

Some legends claim that the Christian "Christmas" celebration was invented to compete against the pagan celebrations of December. The 25th was not only sacred to the Romans but also the Persians whose religion Mithraism was one of Christianity's main rivals at that time. The Church eventually was successful in taking the merriment, lights, and gifts from the Saturanilia festival and bringing them to the celebration of Christmas.

The exact day of the Christ child's birth has never been pinpointed. Traditions say that it has been celebrated since the year 98 AD. In 137 AD the Bishop of Rome ordered the birthday of the Christ Child celebrated as a solemn feast. In 350 AD another Bishop of Rome, Julius I, choose December 25th as the observance of Christmas.

CHRISTion
10-25-2006, 01:31 AM
This idea came about as the "Church" began to regard Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a new light. She had long been revered along with the saints and Apostles, but only along with them. But now in this same fourth century she emerges as the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. There never would have been a Christmas except the worship of Mary had emerged. They now put her in Heaven, not merely as an intercessor, but a Queen. (((shaking my head))):( -dang dang dang dang dang...*sigh* and just WHERE did they get the idea FROM SCRIPTURE that she was the QUEEN OF HEAVEN :confused: :confused: :confused:

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 01:33 AM
yep

.... so basketball comes from shooting a head into a bread basket? Anyone know?

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 01:35 AM
(((shaking my head))):( -dang dang dang dang dang...*sigh* and just WHERE did they get the idea FROM SCRIPTURE that she was the QUEEN OF HEAVEN :confused: :confused: :confused:

..ya know?!! they wild man.

Brian
10-25-2006, 01:35 AM
.... so basketball comes from shooting a head into a bread basket? Anyone know?

i don't kno i thought it was invented by some dude at a ymca somewhere in the late 18 early 1900s.

Tha God In Me
10-25-2006, 01:38 AM
i don't kno i thought it was invented by some dude at a ymca somewhere in the late 18 early 1900s.

..I think my revelation is a little more anti-paganish. ;)

Brian
10-25-2006, 01:40 AM
..I think my revelation is a little more anti-paganish. ;)

:D

the answer
10-25-2006, 05:42 AM
For those who say we shouldn't celebrate Halloween can u articulate to me the reason WHY?? No one has done it yet.

I am of the conviction that its ok.

Why would u think i was wrong?



its Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29Eph. 4:29

Psalmist
10-25-2006, 08:00 AM
I don't know....on one side I see the secularism.
But on the other side, there have been harvest festivals in ALL Cultures...

Don't know...have at least 4 years to figure it out!

eve
10-25-2006, 09:22 AM
i assume i will marry a like-minded person so if i had kids i certainly would NOT "celebrate" halloween!!!

ya kiddin'????

reason #1: the druids, in celebrating the coming winter, used this festival to appease the "evil spirits" so their "luck" wuldn't run so harsh in the coming winter season ... by collecting goodies to present to them. so they went around terrorizing neighbors dressed like these "evil spirits" telling them they either had to offer a treat, or they would get a wicked trick (such as a gross chopped-off chicken head). HUH? origins are important.

reason #2: it seemed like a good idea when the catholics decided to replace this pagan holiday with All Hallow's Eve but i see no biblical basis (correct me if i'm wrong) and i don't think Christians (the people who literally belong to the One who created everything) should always be sniffing up the butt of the world trying to offer "alternatives" for everything they do. just my opinion.

reason #3: as it's practiced today it seems unseemly for a person who has eternal life to be prancing around with most of the costumes associated with halloween. i was in a 7-11 the other day on line at the cashier, i turned to my right, and saw a green creature with a vascular eyeball dangling out staring back at me. why would i cover my face with that?

* dismounts soap box

ThaWatcher
10-25-2006, 09:47 AM
Nope. The scriptures say that we should have nothing to do with evil; we should expose it....

Danielle
10-25-2006, 09:57 AM
As a child we grew up not participating in Holloween, starting in 1993. And my children will not participate in the holiday, but as far as Christmas, my parents never mention Santa Claus at all. Every present that I recieved, had "from God, Mom and Dad" or the package, giving totally glory to God for the gifts. Although the root of Christmas is embedden in evil and pagan rituals, as Christians, we choose to take that ritual, and turn it holy by glorifying God with it. It is just a day for us to fellowship with eachother, while thanking God for Jesus, for salvation. But the same for thanksgiving, come on now we all smash and throw-down on some food, we don't celebrate Christopher Columbus and the pilgrims, but we take the day and make it our own, with family and friends and good food. But as far we Holloween at my church we have Haleluah(sp) night, in which the kids play games and have treats and candy, but we fellowhip and keep the evil out of it. And my children will participate in that.

simplyG
10-25-2006, 05:49 PM
Naturally, no. Pagan holiday, to the point.

ROB
10-25-2006, 06:38 PM
There is no way my family is celebrating Halloween. After all that happens on Christmas and Ressurrection day (Easter) to take the focus off of Christ as it should be there is no way I will celebrate the day that this country recognizes evil as good. Too many Christians ignore Isaiah 5:20 on this day. Being quiet about what goes on is actually condoning it, so I won't be quiet on that day!


First off I'm gonna fast on Monday for those poor infant children that get sacrificed to satan on that day. :( I believe God will spare some of their lives somehow.

Next I'm gonna educate as many people as I can on what Halloween is really all about. If get a chance to minister at an event that night, I'll celebrate after some folks give their hearts to Christ. That's the day to evangelize if no other day is. Our church is gonna have a big outreach next year. We already planning for it now. :D

I'll be working on getting a guy that used to be in the church of satan that became a Christian to speak about what satanist do on that day and putting a drama together.

simplyG
10-25-2006, 06:46 PM
Here, in a nutshell, is their Crazy 8:

Wheel of the Year: Pagan festivals or sabbats
There are eight holidays in the year, called Sabbats. They are based on traditional harvest dates and seasonal changes.

The Eight Sabbats
Samhain (SOW-in), Oct. 31:
Samhain - Hallowe'en - is the most important holiday of the year. It marks the final harvest and is a day to honor the dead.

Yule, Dec. 21:
Yule - Winter Solstice - is the shortest day of the year when the return of sunlight is celebrated.

Imbolc, Feb. 2:
Imbolc - Candlemas - celebrates the first stirrings of spring. Light some candles!

Ostara (OH-shar-uh), March 21:
Ostara - Spring Equinox - is the pagan holiday where a lot of the symbols of Easter originated. Day and night are equal lengths.

Beltane (BEAL-tain), April 30:
Beltane - May Day - is a fun, vibrant holiday to celebrate the fertility of the coming harvests.

Litha, June 21:
Midsummer - Litha - falls on the longest day of the year and is filled with the abundance of summer.

Lughnasadh (LOO-nah-sah), Aug. 1:
Lughnasadh - Lammas - is the first festival of the harvest.

Mabon (MAH-bawn), Sept. 21:
Mabon - Autumn Equinox - is the second harvest celebration. It's a day for giving thanks


Whar Christian, knowing this, would aid celebration of such MESS!

Psalmist
10-25-2006, 06:53 PM
ummmm.....israel had harvest festivals

ROB
10-25-2006, 07:26 PM
As far as Christmas goes, it was actually created to worship/ reverence Mary (:eek: ) the mother of baby Jesus. The 25th of December was picked to counter the pagan holiday Saturnalia, yet the whole Christmas tree thing is pagan resedue of that same holiday.
Read this:
The earliest "Christians" were not interested in Jesus' birthday, but by the fourth century they had become very much interested. While interested in the Man Christ Jesus, their thought and affection did not as yet include the Child Jesus. But they came to focus their eyes upon Jesus the infant and Mary His mother. Many people were coming to the notion that his birthday should be observed. This idea came about as the "Church" began to regard Mary, the mother of Jesus, in a new light. She had long been revered along with the saints and Apostles, but only along with them. But now in this same fourth century she emerges as the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. There never would have been a Christmas except the worship of Mary had emerged. They now put her in Heaven, not merely as an intercessor, but a Queen.
-ask.com

Here's lyrics to a famous Christmas carol (remember, the pagans worshipped the evergreen tree that they cut down and decorated because it stayed green through the winters. i.e. Jeremiah10:1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says:
"Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter. )

...now...

Oh Christmas Tree

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree!
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!

Not only in the summertime,
But even in winter is thy prime.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
For every year the Christmas tree,
Brings to us all both joy and glee.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!
Each bough doth hold its tiny light,
That makes each toy to sparkle bright.

O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!

Hey man that's a good thought right there. I never put those two together. Do you remember that song Higher Level on KRS One's cd The Return of the Boom Bap?

He had a lyric in that song that said,

"Christians be rebuking demons on every level,

but every Halloween they dressin' like devils."

I wonder how many Christains are gonna prove that line to be true?