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Brinson
10-24-2006, 09:34 AM
Would you purchase a HHH Instrumental CD if you was considering making a mixtape? Or just to keep your self sharp?

Do you even buy instrumentals ?


If so, Would you rather download the instrumentals or buy the entire CD?

Would you like a All instrumental CD or would you like at lest 4 tracks w/Vocals on it and those Four you would like to have those instrumentals as well?

LENZ_1
10-24-2006, 09:58 AM
I know I'm not an artist, but I love music itself, and as an aspiring DJ/Artist/Producer I will buy an all instrumental CD. Shoot, when I was in college, most of the CDs I put together were all instrumental.

CHRISTion
10-24-2006, 10:15 AM
See...here is where things get kinda sticky...

Ok, let's say Brinson lets that track get loose that Zee used for "Moufs of da Souf" (U did that one right preacha?) and then the person does it and people start talking and saying "I like the _____ (insert Artist name) version more than Zee's" (or vice versa)--see, then we get into dissention and hurt feelings...

I thought about this awhile ago, see, people on the Gospel rap side tend to be more fragile & easy to hurt than our secular counterparts-so if I take a beat from 50 and bless it in the Name of Jesus-if dude gets hurt, he's not gonna even speak on it, it'll just challenge him to bring his game up-on THIS side, it'll cause hurt feelings and it won't be well received...

now MAYBE I'm wrong...(and *trust me*, I hope I am) but I'm just speaking from my little bit of experience of telling people what I honestly thought of their music. Speaking in a general sense, it's not taken "in love" and many have actually gotten mad at me and stopped talking to me because I told 'em the truth... so... that's my 2 cents...

Nahledge
10-24-2006, 10:15 AM
Would you purchase a HHH Instrumental CD if you was considering making a mixtape? Or just to keep your self sharp?

Do you even buy instrumentals ?


If so, Would you rather download the instrumentals or buy the entire CD?

Would you like a All instrumental CD or would you like at lest 4 tracks w/Vocals on it and those Four you would like to have those instrumentals as well?


It would be cool to listen to, but even if it going to be used for a mixtape people would still make the same argument that it's illegal. Or would people's opinion change because it's coming from a Christian producer? I don't know. I would buy it to support more than anything because an instrumental album would really have to have some super duper instrumentals, better than normal hip-hop instrumentals for me to really knock it on the regular. I listen to regular beats all the time. I would want to see some instrumentation that was off the meat rack, using more than just a drum machine and a keyboard. I'm talkin like live instruments being played with some real skill. That's just me though.

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 10:21 AM
I replied yes. HHH is blessed with a variety of good producers now (i.e. Tony Stone, DJ Official, Lecrae, Mac, JR, Kevin Arthur, and DJ Essence) so we really don't have any excuses. The quality of HHH beats have improved dramatically since the change of the century beyond the simplistic, redundant, and low-class beats that HHH used to be known for. Besides that fact, I believe it matters greatly whoever produces the beat. I would prefer to get a beat from a christian producer as opposed to a secular producer.
Why?:

1. We need to support our fellow brethren. Secular producers have an enormous market but HHH producers have to be selective in who they produce for and are very underpaid for there work comparatively (Secular producers, i.e. Just Blaze can charge up to 5 figures and even 6 figures in some cases for a beat whereas HHH producers might make a few hundred dollars at most off a beat).

2. Because the spirit of whoever is making the beat can transfer onto the beat itself and can be a hindrance to ministering the gospel. Yes the heart of the producer is in the beat they make, if they have a wicked and perverse heart then don't be surprised when no good fruit is produced from the song despite the use of doctrinally sound lyrics.

Nahledge
10-24-2006, 10:32 AM
2. Because the spirit of whoever is making the beat can transfer onto the beat itself and can be a hindrance to ministering the gospel. Yes the heart of the producer is in the beat they make, if they have a wicked and perverse heart then don't be surprised when no good fruit is produced from the song despite the use of doctrinally sound lyrics.


Just a quick question. What about the spirit of the maker of the beat machine? Wouldn't that be the same? Can you really include one without the other?

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 10:45 AM
Just a quick question. What about the spirit of the maker of the beat machine? Wouldn't that be the same? Can you really include one without the other?
Not quite, that's like comparing the maker of the TV to the producer of a television show. The producer of the television show lays the format for the show in a very similar way to how a producer lays the format to the beat. And it is up to the artist or actor how they want to interpret what is layed out before them. A producer invisions how they want the beat to be used, and if they have a heart against God then that is how the beat will flow.The producer and artist will have some form of a relationship (even if it's just surface) whereas the maker of the beat machine is neutral and will usually have no form of a relationship with whoever uses the equipment. The artist and producer are the two key instruments in making a song, if either one of them is wicked in their intentions then don't expect good fruit to be produced out of the song.

Brinson
10-24-2006, 10:47 AM
See...here is where things get kinda sticky...

Ok, let's say Brinson lets that track get loose that Zee used for "Moufs of da Souf" (U did that one right preacha?) and then the person does it and people start talking and saying "I like the _____ (insert Artist name) version more than Zee's" (or vice versa)--see, then we get into dissention and hurt feelings...

...


I didn't make Moufs of da Souf" track that was B of 4 sight sound... who was the Back Bone of Zee's Album he put it down.

I see what your saying about the verses but would you get a Instrumental and you had permission from the person that you can use it for mixtapes or whatever. That is the reason to do a mixtape.

Rodney Jerkins put out a instrumental LP and he had a contest for people to use his Tracks. So the reason would be to help people put out stuff you know because people say they don't have enough to buy a custom track. So Put together a collection for artist to help there ministry....

Brinson
10-24-2006, 10:49 AM
I know I'm not an artist, but I love music itself, and as an aspiring DJ/Artist/Producer I will buy an all instrumental CD. Shoot, when I was in college, most of the CDs I put together were all instrumental.

Sounds good man

I know too folks has done it already Spectaluar and Theory Hazits
and both of them was fire and only like $9.00


I'm Debating and i know J-Pierre is doing it as well so we know his will be awesome.

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 10:55 AM
I think we could put out a dope cd cuz

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:02 AM
I think we could put out a dope cd cuz


who you??

I know you got a trillion tracks over there

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 11:03 AM
who you??

I know you got a trillion tracks over there
I don't know what you talking about....
I gotta billion trillions!

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:04 AM
I don't know what you talking about....
I gotta billion trillions!


Yea i know

So you said you'll make a hot Instrumental CD?

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 11:06 AM
Yea i know

So you said you'll make a hot Instrumental CD?
I said We could!

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:06 AM
It would be cool to listen to, but even if it going to be used for a mixtape people would still make the same argument that it's illegal. Or would people's opinion change because it's coming from a Christian producer? I don't know. I would buy it to support more than anything because an instrumental album would really have to have some super duper instrumentals, better than normal hip-hop instrumentals for me to really knock it on the regular. I listen to regular beats all the time. I would want to see some instrumentation that was off the meat rack, using more than just a drum machine and a keyboard. I'm talkin like live instruments being played with some real skill. That's just me though.


Hmmm I got some Live instrumentals i've had up for a while one was sold to a brother that is going to do damage to it I may put the other two on a CD or something....

How many Instrumental CDs have you purchased already

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:06 AM
I said We could!


You mean like if we both put out one?

yea that would be huge

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 11:07 AM
You mean like if we both put out one?

yea that would be huge
We should......I think we should talk and make this happen!

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:10 AM
We should......I think we should talk and make this happen!


Pray on it then give me a buzz

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:11 AM
I1. We need to support our fellow brethren. Secular producers have an enormous market but HHH producers have to be selective in who they produce for and are very underpaid for there work comparatively (Secular producers, i.e. Just Blaze can charge up to 5 figures and even 6 figures in some cases for a beat whereas HHH producers might make a few hundred dollars at most off a beat).

2. Because the spirit of whoever is making the beat can transfer onto the beat itself and can be a hindrance to ministering the gospel. Yes the heart of the producer is in the beat they make, if they have a wicked and perverse heart then don't be surprised when no good fruit is produced from the song despite the use of doctrinally sound lyrics.


How awesome is this Post.... Yep so if Christ has blessed the work of the HHH Producer's hands then when your faith links up with his then imagine the fruit.

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 11:13 AM
How awesome is this Post.... Yep so if Christ has blessed the work of the HHH Producer's hands then when your faith links up with his then imagine the fruit.
uhh....Brinson....THATS GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!(hahahahahahahahaha)

Nahledge
10-24-2006, 11:18 AM
Not quite, that's like comparing the maker of the TV to the producer of a television show. The producer of the television show lays the format for the show in a very similar way to how a producer lays the format to the beat. And it is up to the artist or actor how they want to interpret what is layed out before them. A producer invisions how they want the beat to be used, and if they have a heart against God then that is how the beat will flow.The producer and artist will have some form of a relationship (even if it's just surface) whereas the maker of the beat machine is neutral and will usually have no form of a relationship with whoever uses the equipment. The artist and producer are the two key instruments in making a song, if either one of them is wicked in their intentions then don't expect good fruit to be produced out of the song.


I see what you're saying but, I don't really agree with you. The format of a tv show has content included that is either in line with scripture or not. An instrumental is neutral, it has no content. The tv producer is in the same position as the emcee. He is taking a neutral studio and set and using it for evil purposes. Even if someone creates something with intentions for it to be used in a way that doesn't glorify God, doesn't mean it can only bear negative fruit. If someone builds a building intending to make it a porno shop, yet it never happens and then I come along and make it a Christian bookstore, there's definately going to come some good fruit from that store. The building is neutral until you put something in it. Just like that empty building, an instrumental is neutral until you put words to it. There are no "Christian" sounds. What does a christian instrumental sound like. If I bring you an instrumental and don't tell you who made it, you won't know if it was a christian or not. If by investigating the contents of something you cant tell if it's glorifying God or not, chances are it's only a tool or an INSTRUMENT to used however the user sees fit. An instrumental is just a combination of instruments, which makes the beat nothing more than a instrument itself. If the manufactuer of other tools and instruments that we use doesn't matter, why does it matter who manufactures the beats we use? It's not how it's made but how it's used that matters. No matter what it is.

If I meet an usaved producer with hott beats, I'm not gonna say, "I can't cop beats off you, you're not saved." A hot beat is a hot beat. I'd preferr a christian producer, and I support them first but a beat man aint no different than a hardware store. I purchase the tools I need and still build God's house. What about the Christian producer who looks at porn all day and then hops on the MPC? Should we steer clear of them too? I'm really saying all of this to show that sometimes we limit ourselves by being too spiritual. We can use the world's resources, just don't let the resources use you. Keep God as your source, everything eles is a resource.

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:22 AM
uhh....Brinson....THATS GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!(hahahahahahahahaha)


Now you can expect a call from my Lawyer

for using a Copywriten Slogan of Da Preacher LOL

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 11:24 AM
Now you can expect a call from my Lawyer

for using a Copywriten Slogan of Da Preacher LOL
THAT'S NOT GOSPEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I'm copyrighting it right now)

Brinson
10-24-2006, 11:28 AM
If I meet an usaved producer with hott beats, I'm not gonna say, "I can't cop beats off you, you're not saved." A hot beat is a hot beat. I'd preferr a christian producer, and I support them first but a beat man aint no different than a hardware store. I purchase the tools I need and still build God's house. What about the Christian producer who looks at porn all day and then hops on the MPC? Should we steer clear of them too? I'm really saying all of this to show that sometimes we limit ourselves by being too spiritual. We can use the world's resources, just don't let the resources use you. Keep God as your source, everything eles is a resource.

I would ask you to reconsider or ponder on this. The Lord says that he has Blessed the work of the hands of his people. So By having this blessing, favor, and anointing it would be better to get it from the brethern. Yes I agree a hot beat is a hot beat BUT........ when the anointing goes along with it. A yoke is broken and a burden removed. Yes the minister should be anointed with that same power but when it came from another child of God it is like the double portion. One can chase a thousand two can put 10 thousand to flight.

By no means am i saying your wrong i'm just asking to consider that from another point of view. More seeds and planting for the harvest of the hearts of men.

I don't want to seem to spiritual even though I am one who some would label as such but I haven't heard many artist said they prayed and asked God who should make the tracks for there next LP? they may have but i never seen a post about it. Acknowledge me in "ALL" your ways. ......... that was a side note for other readers.



But Nahlegde good post you would sound awesome on a Nar8ta track or St Joe rugged Track or a Spectaular track.

Nahledge
10-24-2006, 11:34 AM
I would ask you to reconsider or ponder on this. The Lord says that he has Blessed the work of the hands of his people. So By having this blessing, favor, and anointing it would be better to get it from the brethern. Yes I agree a hot beat is a hot beat BUT........ when the anointing goes along with it. A yoke is broken and a burden removed. Yes the minister should be anointed with that same power but when it came from another child of God it is like the double portion. One can chase a thousand two can put 10 thousand to flight.

By no means am i saying your wrong i'm just asking to consider that from another point of view. More seeds and planting for the harvest of the hearts of men.

I don't want to seem to spiritual even though I am one who some would label as such but I haven't heard many artist said they prayed and asked God who should make the tracks for there next LP? they may have but i never seen a post about it. Acknowledge me in "ALL" your ways. ......... that was a side note for other readers.



But Nahlegde good post you would sound awesome on a Nar8ta track or St Joe rugged Track or a Spectaular track.

I agree with you fam, and I definately recognize the anointing can be present when working with a producer who is a professed christian, and thats who I'd preferr to work with. I only responded to him because he made it like, an instrumental is condemned/good for nothing when produced by a non-believer. That sounded like some G. Craig type stuff. But I agree with you, no doubt.

The thing with it too though, is just because someone is a christian doesn't mean what they're doing is by the anointing. The anointing is a product of obedience to God. When Moses produced the anointing oil, the ingredients themselves had nothing to do with the Lord putting His hand on that particular mixture. It was Moses obedience regarding what God told him to combine in their exact amounts that produced the anointing. If I'm working with anyone who God hasn't told me to work with, God will not anoint that work. Every time Moses used the anointing oil, God honored it because the oil was produced out of obedience. God can direct me to get beats from a secular producer for what ever reason, and that work will be just as anointed as any because it was birthed out of obedience to God.

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 11:39 AM
I see what you're saying but, I don't really agree with you. The format of a tv show has content included that is either in line with scripture or not. An instrumental is neutral, it has no content. The tv producer is in the same position as the emcee. He is taking a neutral studio and set and using it for evil purposes. Even if someone creates something with intentions for it to be used in a way that doesn't glorify God, doesn't mean it can only bear negative fruit. If someone builds a building intending to make it a porno shop, yet it never happens and then I come along and make it a Christian bookstore, there's definately going to come some good fruit from that store. The building is neutral until you put something in it. Just like that empty building, an instrumental is neutral until you put words to it. There are no "Christian" sounds. What does a christian instrumental sound like. If I bring you an instrumental and don't tell you who made it, you won't know if it was a christian or not. If by investigating the contents of something you cant tell if it's glorifying God or not, chances are it's only a tool or an INSTRUMENT to used however the user sees fit. An instrumental is just a combination of instruments, which makes the beat nothing more than a instrument itself. If the manufactuer of other tools and instruments that we use doesn't matter, why does it matter who manufactures the beats we use? It's not how it's made but how it's used that matters. No matter what it is.

If I meet an usaved producer with hott beats, I'm not gonna say, "I can't cop beats off you, you're not saved." A hot beat is a hot beat. I'd preferr a christian producer, and I support them first but a beat man aint no different than a hardware store. I purchase the tools I need and still build God's house.


Well, I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. The point I was trying to make is that it takes both the MC and Producer to make a song. I believe that making the beat is just as important as making the lyrics and the implications have equal weight. The instrument being used here would be the beat making equipment (i.e. MPC, SP...). I am not saying that no ministry would come forth out of using a beat from a secular producer. What I am saying is that the ministry might become tainted and would not produce as much fruit as a beat made from someone with a similar heart and spirit.


What about the Christian producer who looks at porn all day and then hops on the MPC? Should we steer clear of them too?

Actually, Yes I would stay clear of them. I would not want to collaborate with anyone who isn't in right standing with God, be it producer or MC. I've seen others minister when they hadn't repented and to the undiscerning eye it might have looked ok, but I could see the works of the flesh over everything that they did.

Brinson
10-24-2006, 12:19 PM
So the verdict is some producers need to get the ball rolling on Making that type of Production

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 01:22 PM
I would ask you to reconsider or ponder on this. The Lord says that he has Blessed the work of the hands of his people. So By having this blessing, favor, and anointing it would be better to get it from the brethern. Yes I agree a hot beat is a hot beat BUT........ when the anointing goes along with it. A yoke is broken and a burden removed. Yes the minister should be anointed with that same power but when it came from another child of God it is like the double portion. One can chase a thousand two can put 10 thousand to flight.

By no means am i saying your wrong i'm just asking to consider that from another point of view. More seeds and planting for the harvest of the hearts of men.

I don't want to seem to spiritual even though I am one who some would label as such but I haven't heard many artist said they prayed and asked God who should make the tracks for there next LP? they may have but i never seen a post about it. Acknowledge me in "ALL" your ways. ......... that was a side note for other readers.



But Nahlegde good post you would sound awesome on a Nar8ta track or St Joe rugged Track or a Spectaular track.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah What He Said!

By the way, you would sound dope on a Psalmist track too!

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 01:24 PM
So the verdict is some producers need to get the ball rolling on Making that type of Production
basically....but how much would someone pay for the disk...assuming you get a non-exclusive license to use every last one of them?

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 01:25 PM
So the verdict is some producers need to get the ball rolling on Making that type of Production
yup. I would mos def cop the beat album. Get on it.

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 01:31 PM
basically....but how much would someone pay for the disk...assuming you get a non-exclusive license to use every last one of them?
echo echo echo

Shock~Therapy
10-24-2006, 01:34 PM
basically....but how much would someone pay for the disk...assuming you get a non-exclusive license to use every last one of them?
umm.. If you are talking about a regular instrumental cd (i.e. the Rodney Jerkins one) it should be kept at a moderate price, say... $13.

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 01:36 PM
I dig.... I just might release one....but I would want it to be something different....I just couldn't do something that has already been done!

ZestD
10-24-2006, 01:39 PM
Y'all forget (or ignore) other VERY dope producers like Dert and Dust.

Dert has an instrumental out called Fledgling and also was cool enough to put out about 30 beats from various projects of his for free digital download. Check Sphereofhiphopmp3.

Dust has been holding it down doing his thing for Mars Ill and Deepspace 5. Don't sleep on his grimy beats!

Psalmist
10-24-2006, 01:40 PM
Y'all forget (or ignore) other VERY dope producers like Dert and Dust.

Dert has an instrumental out called Fledgling and also was cool enough to put out about 30 beats from various projects of his for free digital download. Check Sphereofhiphopmp3.

Dust has been holding it down doing his thing for Mars Ill and Deepspace 5. Don't sleep on his grimy beats!
Not forgetting dert...the brother is a beast!

Brinson
10-24-2006, 02:12 PM
yup. I would mos def cop the beat album. Get on it.


ON it

Psalmist !!

i'm praying about it

Brinson
10-24-2006, 05:03 PM
bump

Brinson
10-25-2006, 02:07 PM
so we only got 12 artists in this piece?

Psalmist
10-25-2006, 02:57 PM
ON it

Psalmist !!

i'm praying about it
I feel at peace w/ it...so I'm good if you are